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Thor
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Message 1 of 313 (222300)
07-07-2005 7:00 AM


The bastards have hit London.

I'd just like to wish well to the Brits here on EvC, and hope that all are safe and well and have not been caught up in this dreadful situation.

My thoughts are with you.


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crashfrog
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Message 2 of 313 (222302)
07-07-2005 7:32 AM


I'd like to extend my sincere condolences to any residents of that fair city, or to anyone affected by this in any way.

And to the rest of our Brit friends here - if you enjoy civil liberty you'd better take advantage of it now, because its days are numbered in your country, just as it was in ours.


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nator
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Message 3 of 313 (222303)
07-07-2005 7:44 AM
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07-07-2005 7:32 AM


I don't know, crash.

The Brits were able to maintain their civil liberties through all of the years of terrist attacks of shin fein.

Anyway, Tony Blair is now starting to feel the price of supporting the US against Iraq, I think.


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mark24
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Message 4 of 313 (222308)
07-07-2005 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thor
07-07-2005 7:00 AM


Thor,

I'd just like to wish well to the Brits here on EvC, and hope that all are safe and well and have not been caught up in this dreadful situation.

Thanks for your concern, all of my family are accounted for.

My wife has a bout of shingles & has been off work for a few weeks, but one of the stations (Russell Square) that she would use was hit. Not quite sure how it was hit, whether the station itself or a bus outside. But it makes me go cold thinking about it.

Frankly I'm surprised we escaped it this long.

Mark

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Silent H
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Message 5 of 313 (222309)
07-07-2005 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by nator
07-07-2005 7:44 AM


Apparently the claim that Iraq was now the front line on terrorism has adequately been disproven. That is regardless of whether it was AQ or not (though from what I just heard one Islamic group is taking responsibility).

I don't want to get bogged down in making a political statement using this tragedy, but it is worth noting the factual evidence thise provides when formulating one's political position.

Tony Blair is now starting to feel the price of supporting the US against Iraq, I think.

He was looking pretty shaken up at his initial press conference. I doubt he will allow himself the ability to question the appropriateness of Iraq and thus just use this as a sign of why Iraq must be won.

Actually I must agree that this is a sign of why we must now complete the mission, despite it also being a sign of why it was a mistake to start in the first place.

If Blair has any decency he will resign soon.

In any case, I do hope none of our EvC members were personally effected by this attack.

(Side Note: FYI I started a new thread specifically on Playboy which includes replies to your last two posts in the free speech thread which got closed.)


holmes
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Silent H
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Message 6 of 313 (222310)
07-07-2005 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by mark24
07-07-2005 8:03 AM


Not quite sure how it was hit, whether the station itself or a bus outside. But it makes me go cold thinking about it.

Russell Square was a train bombing. The current reports are that there was only one bus explosion and that one had a long name, which I forget now.


holmes
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Parasomnium
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Message 7 of 313 (222314)
07-07-2005 8:23 AM
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07-07-2005 8:04 AM


Blair resign? Why?
holmes writes:

If Blair has any decency he will resign soon.

Why would he have to do that?


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Dr Jack
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Message 8 of 313 (222316)
07-07-2005 8:25 AM
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07-07-2005 8:23 AM


Re: Blair resign? Why?
Colour me similarly confused. I don't see the logic either.
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jar
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Message 9 of 313 (222324)
07-07-2005 9:26 AM


My prayers are going out to all who were injured.


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Dead Parrot
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Message 10 of 313 (222327)
07-07-2005 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Silent H
07-07-2005 8:07 AM


Explosions listed at...
Bus in Tavistock Square (believed sucide bomber)
Underground train near Edgware Road
Underground train near Russel Square
Underground train near King's Cross
Underground train near Moorgate
Underground train near Liverpool Street
Underground train near Aldgate East

Current estimates (from AP) are around 40 dead, "scores" injured: Since a lot of the casualties are in the underground system, it may be hours before they reach some of them.

Both me and Mrs. Parrot used to work in Central London, but I've just finished phoning around and none of our friends/workmates have been caught up in it. Which you may not care about, but I'm so damn relieved I'm going to tell you anyway.


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Andya Primanda
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Message 11 of 313 (222328)
07-07-2005 9:57 AM


Just off the streets now, walked home all the way from the Museum. The city is chaotic but the authorities seem to be handling the situation calmly.

Having lived in Jakarta in the past, which saw 2 major bomb attacks (Marriott, Aus. Embassy) and a large-scale riot, my first reaction was, 'Not here too??!'

I feel sorry for London and fellow Londoners though. The city was so jubilant yesterday...

And just recently some al-Qaeda group has claimed responsibility. Doesn't surprise me though. I hope these guys burn in hell.

AbE: Just realized that today is 7/7/05.

The Australian Embassy in Jakarta was bombed on 9/9/04.

Terrorists seem to love those kinds of dates. 9/11 and Bali, 10/12.

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PaulK
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Message 12 of 313 (222329)
07-07-2005 10:05 AM
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07-07-2005 9:53 AM


Re: Explosions listed at...
Up until just now I'd only seen reports of 2 confirmed dead (at Aldgate) and a report of "one or two" dead at the bus explosion.

The Guardian quotes Sky as claiming a total of 41 dead based on "ambulance sources" - but that's unconfirmed


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gengar
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Message 13 of 313 (222331)
07-07-2005 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dead Parrot
07-07-2005 9:53 AM


Re: Explosions listed at...
BBC now reports slightly fewer blasts

Underground:
Between Russell Square and King's Cross
Between Liverpool St and Aldgate East
Edgeware Road

Bus:
Tavistock Square

It seems that no. was overestimated because explosions between stations were reported at either end.

All my London friends are OK, which I'm darn happy about I can tell you.

It's odd how unsurprised I am.


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Dead Parrot
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Message 14 of 313 (222332)
07-07-2005 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Andya Primanda
07-07-2005 9:57 AM


Statement claiming responsibility
From the BBC:

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."
-----------------
AbE: Except you didn't target the British Zionist Crusader Government did you, you murdering fucks. You blew up a load of innocent civilians instead.

(no appologies for the languange, I'm afraid)

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PaulK
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Message 15 of 313 (222334)
07-07-2005 10:43 AM
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07-07-2005 10:05 AM


Re: Explosions listed at...
The Sky reports seem to be a little on the high side - but only bt a little. I expect around 40 dead by the end count. Hopefully fewer.
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