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Author Topic:   A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore
RAZD
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Message 1 of 161 (364413)
11-17-2006 6:10 PM


Michael Moore | Substack
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Well, cheer up, my friends! Do not despair. I have good news for you. I, and the millions of others who are now in charge with our Democratic Congress, have a pledge we would like to make to you, a list of promises that we offer you because we value you as our fellow Americans. You deserve to know what we plan to do with our newfound power -- and, to be specific, what we will do to you and for you.
Thus, here is our Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives:
Dear Conservatives and Republicans,
I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:
For those who love to hate Michael, you might want to read the words first.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : changes link to cleaner version

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Message 2 of 161 (364417)
11-17-2006 6:38 PM


Hee hee!

  
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Message 3 of 161 (364425)
11-17-2006 7:06 PM
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I love it!

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Message 4 of 161 (364444)
11-17-2006 7:50 PM
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11-17-2006 6:10 PM


Fantastic.

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Message 5 of 161 (364457)
11-17-2006 8:54 PM
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Thanks, RAZD. It's a beautiful thing.

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RAZD
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Message 6 of 161 (364546)
11-18-2006 11:24 AM
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11-17-2006 8:54 PM


It's the difference between living a democracy and pretending to while pushing totalitarian policies.

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Message 7 of 161 (364764)
11-19-2006 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
11-18-2006 11:24 AM


It's the difference between living a democracy and pretending to while pushing totalitarian policies.
I found it to be a rather condescending gloatfest. But the problem rests with me; I simply can't take Michael Moore seriously enough to take him at his word.
He's in no position to make promises in the first place, but if he were he could have made them without implying that the previous government was run by puritanical, war-profiteers. MM can't lose or win gracefully it seems. There was a time when victory speeches were all about what a good race was run by your worthy adversary and the importance of rolling up our sleeves and getting to work. At some point the dems will realize that they will now be held responsible and get to catch all the blame for the next two years.
Fine, the democrats are going to get their turn at bat...let's see 'em knock a few out of the park before we celebrate.

When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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crashfrog
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Message 8 of 161 (364766)
11-19-2006 3:31 PM
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11-19-2006 3:21 PM


There was a time when victory speeches were all about what a good race was run by your worthy adversary and the importance of rolling up our sleeves and getting to work.
Of course, then Republicans came to power, and victory speeches were all about how the nation had narrowly dodged a bullet by not electing the Al-Queda candidates, how it was clearly God's divine will than a Republican won the race, and it was the dawn of an enduring epoch of Republican control of all three branches of government.
I actually think this is a refreshing change. I don't see that Michael Moore is under any obligation to win gracefully; he's a private citizen not a public candidate. I think he's showing a lot more restraint than conservative pundits did in the past.

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Message 9 of 161 (364767)
11-19-2006 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Wepwawet
11-19-2006 3:21 PM


I agree with what crashfrog just said.
However, I do agree with you on one point: Moore may be counting his chickens before they hatch. Let's see what the Democrats actually have up their sleeve.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Too many actualy's.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Message 10 of 161 (364769)
11-19-2006 3:43 PM
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11-19-2006 3:21 PM


There was a time when victory speeches were all about what a good race was run by your worthy adversary and the importance of rolling up our sleeves and getting to work.
There was a time when there were Worthy Opponents, when the choice was of the better of two great candidates.

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Message 11 of 161 (364791)
11-19-2006 6:59 PM
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11-19-2006 3:21 PM


quote:
He's in no position to make promises in the first place, but if he were he could have made them without implying that the previous government was run by puritanical, war-profiteers.
But they were puritanical war-profiteers.
Their record and angenda speaks for itsself.

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RAZD
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Message 12 of 161 (364797)
11-19-2006 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Wepwawet
11-19-2006 3:21 PM


Points not already addressed by others.
At some point the dems will realize that they will now be held responsible and get to catch all the blame for the next two years.
Pardon me if I find this particularly funny. The republicans have been blaming the democrats for everything for so long that when they had the full run of all branches and STILL messed up, they STILL look to blame the democrats.
Fine, the democrats are going to get their turn at bat...let's see 'em knock a few out of the park before we celebrate.
The question is whether you will recognize it as a hit or yell foul eh? If they hold the administration responsible for their profligate, war-mongering, uncontrolled and unmanaged overspending, forces them to come to grips with financing their massive mistake ... republicans will howl that the democrats are raising taxes yes? The reality is that the Botch administration has ALREADY raised taxes - AND SPENT IT, they just don't have the GUTS to fess up to it.
At some point the republicans will realize that they need to be held responsible and get to catch all the blame for the last six years.
Enjoy.

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Message 13 of 161 (364802)
11-19-2006 8:49 PM
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11-19-2006 8:25 PM


It's Still Bush's War
RAZD writes:
Points not already addressed by others.
wepawawet writes:
At some point the dems will realize that they will now be held responsible and get to catch all the blame for the next two years.
Actually, Bush & Co. remain solely in charge of the Iraq debacle for at least the next two years. Congress has little say in the conduct of foreign policy or wars in progress. Short of simply denying funding (a form of political suicide already foresworn by the Dems), Congress can only recommend, investigate, and mount bully pulpits.
This war belongs to Bush--he doesn't get to walk away from that responsibility just because he led his party off the cliff.

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jar
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Message 14 of 161 (364804)
11-19-2006 9:02 PM
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11-19-2006 3:21 PM


Higher taxes will be due to BUSH
At some point the dems will realize that they will now be held responsible and get to catch all the blame for the next two years.
And at some point the Republicans will be held responsible for the higher taxes caused by the BUSH debt, misuse of resources and spending spree.

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Message 15 of 161 (364812)
11-20-2006 12:36 AM
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11-19-2006 9:02 PM


Re: Higher taxes will be due to BUSH
jar writes:
And at some point the Republicans will be held responsible for the higher taxes caused by the BUSH debt, misuse of resources and spending spree.
I don't think so. Bush supporters have a hard time understanding that the money they've been using for the enormous tax cuts and spendings were not magic money. The other day I was driving home when I noticed the car in front of me had a sticker that said say no to tax state and federal. These people obviously don't care whether the schools their kids go to have proper equipments or that the roads they drive on don't have chicken holes. In other words, I doubt they even understand there is such thing as the BUSH debt.

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