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Author Topic:   AAP says refusing to give legal status to gay marriage harms kids
subbie
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07-06-2006 4:40 PM


No webpage found at provided URL: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349
From the article:
Gay and lesbian people have been raising children for many years and will continue to do so in the future; the issue is whether these children will be raised by parents who have the rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage. Same-gender couples are denied the right to civil marriage in every state except Massachusetts and the right to civil union except in Connecticut and Vermont. The federal government and other state governments do not recognize those civil marriages and civil unions.
There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.
For those opposed to giving legal status to gay marriage, I have this question: why do you not want what's best for kids?

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 2 of 7 (329850)
07-08-2006 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
07-06-2006 4:40 PM


Bump for DOM proponents
I am supprised that none of our regular DOM proponents have any comment about this. Or anyone else for that matter.
Here we have a national academy taking a position about same sex marriage. Common now!

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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subbie
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Message 3 of 7 (330008)
07-09-2006 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Jazzns
07-08-2006 11:53 AM


Re: Bump for DOM proponents
I guess they only have something to say in the context of personal opinion. When it comes to facts, they're mute.

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Message 4 of 7 (330031)
07-09-2006 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by subbie
07-09-2006 12:48 AM


Re: Bump for DOM proponents
I think they have a very difficult time making the case that gays are a danger to children.
Not long ago Slate magazine ran a piece on gay marriage that cited one of the recent polls showing that opposition has dropped to barely more than 50%. A large number of those people - the ones who said their opposition to it was mild - said that they were very tired of the gay marriage debate. They still don't like the idea but they don't feel motivated to actively oppose it the way they did two or three years ago. Maybe that mood is setting in here at evc.

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subbie
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Message 5 of 7 (330558)
07-10-2006 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by berberry
07-09-2006 4:06 AM


Re: Bump for DOM proponents
Certainly there's no legitimate case to be made that all gays are a danger to children. But the AAP study goes beyond that. It says that to deny gays the ability to enter into a marriage is harmful to children. It's not just that there's no reason not to allow gays to raise kids, it's that it's bad for kids not to allow gays to marry.
And apparently nobody at this site has a single criticism about that study.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 6 of 7 (330662)
07-10-2006 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
07-10-2006 5:49 PM


who's the biggest danger to kids?
subbie writes me:
quote:
But the AAP study goes beyond that. It says that to deny gays the ability to enter into a marriage is harmful to children. It's not just that there's no reason not to allow gays to raise kids, it's that it's bad for kids not to allow gays to marry.
And apparently nobody at this site has a single criticism about that study.
Like I said, it's very tough for them to criticize. They're already on record as opposing "shacking up" because (gulp!) it's bad for kids. So the only issue they can take is to assert that gays are a danger to kids and thus they shouldn't be rearing them, irrespective of marital status. But how do you establish that gays are a danger to kids?
From my experience with fundies, I can tell you that almost invariably they will point to the Catholic church's child rape scandal. They will say that far more boys than girls were abused by the male priests, so that clearly most perverted priests are gay.
Laying aside the question of whether a sexual attraction to children should be considered unique and not related at all to heterosexuality or homosexuality AND laying aside the fact that these were priests who can't marry, those priests were not openly gay. They were openly Christian.
Just as the priesthood requires that its members be openly Christian, gay marriage requires that its participants be openly gay. So now the fundie is required to show that those who are openly gay are a danger to children while fending off charges that those who are openly Christian are the real danger.
So I can see why they're not all over this thread.

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Message 7 of 7 (330673)
07-11-2006 12:01 AM
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07-10-2006 11:06 PM


Re: who's the biggest danger to kids?
But how do you establish that gays are a danger to kids?
with circular logic of course! gays are bad at raising kids, because they'll teach their kids that being gay is ok, and so there will be more gay people. and that's bad.


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