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Author | Topic: Yet another example of the hidden costs of Bush's Stupid War | |||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The biggest problem I have been yelling about regarding Bush's Stupid War is that it was obvious from long before day one that the biggest result would be the misdirection of limited resources from things we need, like maintaining our infrastructure.
Here is the latest example. The Coast Guard is considering dropping Marine Weather Forecasts. The problem is that the equipment is old, unreliable, no longer made, and even spare parts are getting near impossible to find. To continue making marine weather broadcasts, the system will have to be replaced. Sheesh. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The source does not give any reason related to the war. It appears to me that they are asking the public for input into whether this capability is useful enough to go through the expense of overhauling the system. It also appears this system has been degrading for quite some time and the issues pre-date the war.
So where does the war come into play here? And please Jar, don't go froggy on me and accuse me of being some sick war advocate.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Wow. I thought you were being obtuse in the other thread. Amazing.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
I disagree with the term "Bush's Stupid War". Not the stupid part, but the part attributing to Bush. American's (not this American) overwhelming supported the war at the beginning. We own this mess.
I would support legislation that would require a "war tax" to be imposed at the onset of any major military action. Choices made without consideration of the costs (economic free environment) typically are very bad choices. The support for the war would be been different if a cost was associated in the near term - maybe a .20 gas price hike. When considers the opportunity costs associated with this war it is disheartening.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
WTF are you talking about jar?
There is no mention of there being no resources available for upgrading the weather forecast system. They are only seeking advice on just what technology they could use, before they even seek the funds.
Before seeking funds for this undertaking, the Coast Guard must gather evidence relating to how frequently, and under what circumstances, the maritime community uses the various types of HF radio weather broadcasts. In addition, it would be helpful for the Coast Guard to learn about current and future needs of the maritime community with regard to receiving weather forecasts and warnings over HF radio, and what alternatives are being used or might become available. Please see the Federal Register announcement for detailed information about this request for comments. IT is possible that HF radio may not be the best source for weather forecast anymore, and to replace them would be a waste of money. Read the article, it's all there. Yea, war is stupid, but so was this thread.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
maybe a .20 gas price hike. Since the war is probably half about oil, that doesn't seem like a bad idea. I wonder just how far along we could have been in alternate fuel technology we would have been, if we would have spent the money we spent on the war, on research instead.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
iceage writes: I disagree with the term "Bush's Stupid War". Not the stupid part, but the part attributing to Bush. American's (not this American) overwhelming supported the war at the beginning. We own this mess. I recently read an interesting perspective on public opinion, which I will share: (From Dr. Hanson of the Hoover institute at Stanford) The discussion was about the Iraq war and whether or not it was winnable. He said that 70% of the American populace have no basic political ideology or loyalty to any political philosophy and therefore have views that are always changing. It's not what they think, but how they feel. Hanson went on to say that the radical change in the opinions of a majority of Americans about the war had to do with perception. If there is a perception of victory, they will support it. If there is a perception of failure, they will bail. He seems to make sense to me in that public opinion is quite fickle. I guess it all boils down to what people are prepared to put up with. Edited by Phat, : edit
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So where does the war come into play here? The Stupid War comes into play because resources are limited, and what we waste on the absolutely pointless and stupid war cannot be used for other purposes. Oh the Stupid War is not the only problem. The policies begun under the Criminal Ronald Reagan play a bigger part in the deterioration of our Nation, our Infrastructure and National Defense. There is no way around the fact though that money spent on the Stupid War cannot be used for other purposes. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I agree with you that the war is a black hole for tax dollars, which could be better spent elsewhere.
I always thought that you were a conservative, though. Reagan was a conservative, as were the Bush dynasty. Our best fiscal president of the last twenty years has been Clinton. Are you an Eisenhower conservative?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is no mention of there being no resources available for upgrading the weather forecast system. They are only seeking advice on just what technology they could use, before they even seek the funds. If we hadn't be wasting money on the Stupid War we could have been upgrading the system all along. The problem is since the Administration of the Criminal Ronald Reagan, we have been diverting resources for the National Defense and Wellbeing. This latest Stupid War is just the most recent example. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Reagan was a conservative, as were the Bush dynasty. Reagan was no Conservative, he was an actor playing the part of a conservative. His job was to portray a conservative so that the Christian Cult of Ignorance would never notice that their pockets had been picked and that the US was sold to Industry. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jar writes: The problem is since the Administration of the Criminal Ronald Reagan, we have been diverting resources for the National Defense and Wellbeing. This latest Stupid War is just the most recent example. Do you think this ties in with Eisenhower's dire warnings concerning the rise of the Military Industrial Complex? Here is an excerpt from Eisenhowers farewell address...perhaps one of his best speeches:
farewell address writes:
We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States cooperations -- corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not directly. The Military-Industrial Complex, as seen by Ike, has been subsumed by Industry. Today the Military is little more than funding source for Industry.
The biggest blow to the US in the last half-century or so was not Pearl Harbor, not 9-11, but the concept of deregulation of the Utility Industry. Since then, we have simply seen a continuation of the growth of Big International Business to the point where even governments such as the US are but part of the supply chain. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If we hadn't be wasting money on the Stupid War we could have been upgrading the system all along. That may or may not be true jar, but your link (my personal home page) does nothing to show that. Only that the system is old. You've done some serious dot connecting, and while your at it, you can show us where Santa really lives. It may be old for many reasons, including it's reliability. But since that is not the case anymore, we need to replace it. I think I just heard the sprocket on a ten speed going backwards.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
and it is old for a reason. The reason is that money needed for upkeep has been wasted on stupid things like the War in Iraq.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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