OK! You're president. Now what?

yeah! which is totally why they failed to convict those bastard serbs that murdered and defiled so many muslims and destroyed so much muslim culture in bosnia.**purposely over enthusiastic.i'm so sick of this crap about the un. they're absolutely just a boys club of national leaders. they don't do anything and they can't. they're not smart enough to be anti-anyone. it's not your fancy shmancy world government led by the anti-christ. they can't even rescue 7000 people already under their protection.Edited by brennakimi, : disclaimer

how about none of the above? i'd have an open diplomatic session in which anyone interested in amending the situation is welcome in an effort to seek larger cooperation with the rebuilding. we would be working in cooperation with the iraqi government under the full and open understanding that when we come out of this we neither expect nor demand an ally or a government that resembles ours... that's the only way we can hope for an ally at this point. i would also include in the discussion the advisement of those in the field of genocide and democide prevention to empower the iraqi government to avoid the worst possible outcome of this war and that which we have seen come out of so many former colonies. there has been so much that sounds like genocide and so much that looks like genocide that we must actively face it. i'd also reopen the oil contracts and bid them off to demonstrate a real willingness to have an international presence instead of a new american monopoly. i'd avoid the peacekeepers, they're useless. instead i'd request some international troops from these nations involved in the diplomatic session and mix iraqi troops in with the others so that they are taking an active role in learning and demonstrating their capacity to secure themselves. also, i'd have actual police training the iraqi police, instead of the millitary. i'd have open recruiting for the security forces with a promise of delayed prosecution and leniency (but not amnesty) for anything which may later be uncovered about their participation in the insurgency. the reason we have these insurgents is that the us forces shut down all the industry and disbanded the army and all these young men had nothing to do and no way to support themselves or their families. so finally, i would seek international cooperation in rebuilding industry in iraq, for the benefit of the iraqis and not my fundraisers.as much as i really want to simply pull our troops out, i know full well what will happen if we do that. but we can't continue to go it alone and we most certainly can't keep demanding that the iraqi government do all these various things without giving them the tools to do so and while demanding that they make us happy instead of their own people. a democratic government means that they may not like us in the end and the government may not look the way we want it to.

Just so you know, Christianity doesn't exactly have that much of a better track record.

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Yet another unsupported assertion Buz. In addition, you have never been able to explain why either the US or Israel should be supported in some of their actions.

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Properly defining the problem is half the solution. When you define the other side as an implacable enemy, the only course of action you leave yourself is an endless war. This is self-evident in Israel.Enjoy.

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If I understand you correctly you're implicating Israel as the cause of this being an endless war. If you were president what would you do about Israel? Would you withdraw our support and let the oil rich Middle East be totally dominated by Islamic totalitarian regimes who's leaders agree with the prophet Mohammed and his book that Islam should emerge triumphant over all the kingdoms of the earth?Israel is the one stumbling stone which their Islamic neighbors want removed. Until this happens, their ambition of ruling the planet can't move on nearly as fast as if they dominated the total Mideast. They are already making significant progress in Europe and the US with Saudi Arabia's big oil money significantly funding the thousands of new mosques going up all over the planet.Would your policy be to empower Islamic dictators to be in the position to blackmail the rest of the world dependent on oil even more than they already are with their increased dominance of violence and intolerance in the Middle East?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

This topic is about the here and now as the president must deal with the issues. For over a century now Christianity has been the solution, not the problem with the historically Christian US being the land of the free and supplier of the needs of oppressed and starving cultures of the world.As president, would you focus on Christianity, regarding the half dozen or so fundamentalist Christians who've killed and terrorized in the last century the threat or would your policy be to regard the Islamic terrorists of the world as the greater threat?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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The Christians, by a long shot. In particular, the End Times Biblical Christians are the greatest threat the world has ever seen.The Islamic Terrorists are an annoyance at best, while the Biblical Christian End Timers are a threat to the continued existence of the world.

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Hi Brena. Don't feel bad for the Muslims in the region relative to what has happened there. Our policy of destruction of the infrastructure and devastating the region and government was much harsher than what we're doing in Afganistan and Iraq. We left the Serbs with no help after wiping out the dictatorial non Muslim regime so as for Islam to advance in the region. In Iraq we pour hundreds of billions into building up a Shea Hesbolah sympathetic segment of Islam as is Iran, again, advancing the ambition of Islam's global takeover with American $$$.

Jar with your Christophobic and Bibliofobic mindset, if you ran for President Ralph Nader's mother would likely garner more votes than you could expect to tally.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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you're a monster. don't feel bad for the muslims in the region. i hope for your sake that the lord has not heard your words. love your enemies indeed. don't feel bad for the tens of thousands of old men and boys who were tortured and murdered? don't feel bad for the tens of thousands of men tortured and starved and killed in concentration camps? don't feel bad for the tens of thousands of women who were raped and brutalized or left homeless or who lost their families and livelihoods? for the bodies they're still digging up? for the man i heard about whose wife and five year old son and 4 month old baby girl were murdered and left to rot in a cave who he recognized by his wife's jeans alone?you sicken me. how dare you.

Buz, you really need to think before posting something that silly.You asked:

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As president, would you focus on Christianity, regarding the half dozen or so fundamentalist Christians who've killed and terrorized in the last century the threat or would your policy be to regard the Islamic terrorists of the world as the greater threat?

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to which I replied: Now you say:

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Jar with your Christophobic and Bibliofobic mindset, if you ran for President Ralph Nader's mother would likely garner more votes than you could expect to tally.

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Now anyone who has read any of my posts can see that I have no unreasoned fear of either Christ or the Bible, that in fact I cherish and support both, so your posting yet more unfounded assertions that are refuted by the whole body of my posts here at EvC, simply makes your position look even weaker, beyond bankrupt if that is possible.The reason we need to fear and guard against End Times Biblical Christians is that they are actively working towards destroying the world.In the past, as prophecy after prophecy turned out to be false, we could simply ignore them, maybe laugh as they tried to rewrite each and every failed prophecy as though there had been no failure. But that is no longer true. Today, mankind, particularly and at this moment in history, exclusively the US, actually has the capability to create Armageddon.Since these people honestly believe in their fantasy of Armageddon and some End Times filled with destruction, and since they actually have the capability to create such a scenario, we need to make sure that those suffering from such delusions are prevented from having the tools to carry it out.That means we must try to prevent them from holding position of authority in either the Federal Government, the Military or the information services (cabinet, think tanks, advisory positions) for such positions.The Islamic Fundamentalists are about as dangerous as all Fundamentalists, but they do not have as their delusion, the total destruction of the world. It is only those suffering from the End Times delusion, that happen to be in the US, that really need to be feared. Only they actually have the capability of turning their delusion into reality.

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No Buzz, I am implicating a mind-set that defines the problem in terms of implacable enemies and endless wars. When you define your world in those terms then all you will be able to do in your world is participate in conflict with implacable enemies in endless wars. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.If you want to look at how to SOLVE problems you open your mind to other possibilities, ONE of which is that people want the same rights and ability to live their lives in peace.Look at Ireland and the history of terrorism there -- briefer and SOLVED in less time than the "endless war" in the middle east. WHY?Because people were willing to look beyond defining the problem in terms of endless wars and implacable enemies and find real solutions.Enjoy.

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But as president one would not face the dilema in Ireland that would be encountered in the Middle East. The dilema is far more complicated and complex.1. Islam fundamentalists of Islam, unlike the IRA do not fight. They walk or drive themselves as lethal bombs into innocent crowds, buildings, factories, government buildings, busses et al so as to kill and destroy maximum number of people and as much property as they can. As president how would you deal with this dilema?2. Islams holy book advocates world domination whereas the IRA did not. As president what would you do to prevent Islam's ambition of world conquest? The thrust is first to secure the Mideast by wiping out Israel and dealing with the US barrier to world conquest. If they can accomplish these two objectives they're well on their way to an Islamic world. As president would you let Israel fall?

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