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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Most people feel guilt when they have done something 'bad' (a fuzzy definition I know).
What is 'guilt'? Is it a form of cognitive self flagellation or from an external source telling us something? Edited by Larni, : Stupid spelling mistakes.
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Shield Member (Idle past 2890 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
But if this external source is telling us something... what external source, external from the other external source, is telling the external source something?
And why didnt this external source tell Hitler "something" before he killed those jews? External source dosent like jews? Comment on my own post: Yea, i know, bringing hitler into discussions is never a good idea, but in this case i am, since im guessing the op is looking for some GodDidIt answer, and probably ChristianGodDidIt. Edited by rbp, : Added content
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Larni writes: What is 'guilt'? I think guilt is my personal acknowledgement that I've done something I understand to be wrong. Sometimes I'll do something, feel it was normal, then gain information, and later feel guilty. I only feel guilty once I gain the knowledge that what I did was wrong.
Is it a form of cognitive self flagellation or from an external source telling us something? Yes, in not-so-many-words "a form of cognitive self flagellation". Although, I'm not up-to-speed on human biology in this matter. Does it not extend beyond cognitive? It doesn't release any endorphines or block receptors or something like that? I'm actually asking, I don't really know. Is it entirely cognitive? Or are some other physical parts of the body involved? An external source telling us something? Well, I really can't prove it isn't. However, I can show that it doesn't need to be. I do something I understand to be wrong, I feel guilty. That does not require an external source. Since the explanation is not required, I'll only give it credence if someone can educate me as to how it actually is required (if that's even possible). (PS - You may want to consider editing the spelling of your thread title) Edited by Stile, : Considered editing the spelling of my own words
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I introduced an external source because many people do see guilt as stemming from a god.
If a guilty conscience is from a god your point is very well taken. But if guilt is not from a god what is it for?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Stile writes: It doesn't release any endorphines or block receptors or something like that? I reckon you you need to recognise the 'badness' of the behaviour before you conclude that you have done something wrong. I would say this is cognitive rather than psysical. When one 'feels' guilt I would assert it is pure rumination of past deads rather than a physical reaction. Good catch on guitly! D'oh!
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2669 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I would say this is cognitive rather than psysical. Cognitive is physical.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
It's negative reinforcement.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
molbiogirl writes: Cognitive is physical. Explain how.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Mr Jack writes: negative reinforcement So you do something wrong and what positive stimulus gets removed?
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Larni writes: I reckon you you need to recognise the 'badness' of the behaviour before you conclude that you have done something wrong. Yes, that's what I meant to try to convey by using the term "understand". In understanding that I've done something wrong, I first need my own standard of what is actually 'wrong'. Then I can understand the "badness" when I compare what I did to my own standard. I don't think it matters what this standard actually is, though (as far as this thread's concerned, anyway).
I would say this is cognitive rather than psysical. I have no argument either way on this point I really was just asking, I have no clue. But, if you are stating so "in your educated opinion" (since I think your education in this area is extensive), then I certainly accept this as the likely description. Pending further study, of course. Am I wrong in assuming that studying "guilt" is rather new in the field, as is the study of "forgiveness"?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
My bad. I bungled my terminology. Positive punishment, apparently, is the right term.
Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Although, come to think, of it. Negative reinforcement probably also comes into it, as you can relieve guilt by making things right.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2669 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Explain how. Seriously? You doubt that your cognitive functions are the result of physical processes?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
As I said: explain how, please.
Unless you are agueing that you need a physical substrate for cognition; in which case you are right. But if you mean physical in as much as anxiety is expressed in a physical reaction then I would again ask you to justify your response.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Mr Jack writes: as you can relieve guilt by making things right Hmm. Don't think I can argue with that. However, isn't this a reaction to a previous expression of guilt?
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