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Thor
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Message 1 of 302 (250685)
10-11-2005 7:46 AM


This from the Sydney Morning Herald:
End is nigh, US preacher predicts
October 11, 2005
Washington: The high-profile American preacher Pat Robertson says recent natural disasters around the globe point to the end of the world and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.
"These things are starting to hit with amazing regularity," Mr Robertson told CNN on Sunday, remarking on the coincidence of the devastating earthquake that killed tens of thousands in Pakistan and India at the weekend and the recent hurricanes that tore through the southern United States and Central America.
These disasters had come less than a year after a massive tsunami levelled huge areas of South Asia, killing more than 31,000 people and leaving about 1 million homeless.
Devout Christians believe the "last days" will be marked by political and geological upheaval, and Mr Robertson said recent events showed those days might have arrived.
Quoting the Bible, the conservative Christian broadcaster said the latter days would be marked by "the birth pangs of a new order, and for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going in labour, you know how these labour pains begin to hit.
"What was called the blessed hope of the Bible is that one day Jesus Christ would come back again, start a whole new era, that this world order that we know would change into something that would be wonderful that we'd call the millennium," Mr Robertson said. "And before that good time comes there will be some difficult days and they will be likened to what a woman goes through in labour just before she brings forth a child."
Asked if the world was reaching this moment, he replied: "It's possible. I don't have any special revelation to say it is but the Bible does indicate such a time will happen in the end of time. And could this be it? It might be."
More than 1200 people died in Hurricane Katrina in the US and Hurricane Stan has caused up to 1000 deaths. Nearly 20,000 people died in the weekend's earthquake.
Well, I was waiting for SOMEONE to suggest it. Why am I not surpised it was him?

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crashfrog
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Message 2 of 302 (250690)
10-11-2005 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thor
10-11-2005 7:46 AM


So, let me get this straight, Christians. The return of your god is heralded by natural disasters and loss of life on an enormous scale.
How is it that you expect any of us to believe that the god you worship is not the god of death?

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Parasomnium
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Message 3 of 302 (250697)
10-11-2005 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thor
10-11-2005 7:46 AM


Tune in to Apocalypse News Channel
Hello and welcome to Apocalypse News Channel. We bring you the latest on the end of the world, every hour, on the hour.
It has recently been concluded that the world ended around 1350, when the Black Death wiped out an estimated third of the European population. (The world wasn't much bigger than Europe back then. It seems America came away unscathed, because no one had even heard of it, can you imagine?)
...
Erm... excuse me, some news just came in that it wasn't the end in 1350 after all. It now appears to have been in 1918... is that correct? Yes? I hear it's been confirmed. In 1918 it was finally there, THE end of the world. The Spanish Flu killed between 25 and 50 million people worldwide (the world having expanded a bit). What a finale!
This was Apocalypse News Channel on this fine autumn day in 2005. I'm Pat Robertson, thank you for watching.
...
Hey, hang on... 2005?
G*ddammit! Is someone finally going to do their f*ckin' journalistic homework, or what? I'm making a complete f*ckin' asshole of myself here, with these f*ckin' b*llshit bulletins. F*ckin' reporters... J*sus f*ckin' Chr*st!
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Omnivorous
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Message 4 of 302 (250699)
10-11-2005 8:30 AM
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10-11-2005 8:26 AM


Re: Tune in to Apocalypse News Channel
Parasomnium writes:
G*ddammit! Is someone finally going to do their f*ckin' journalistic homework, or what? I'm making a complete f*ckin' asshole of myself here, with these f*ckin' b*llshit bulletins. F*ckin' reporters... J*sus f*ckin' Chr*st!
Breaking news.

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Parasomnium
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Message 5 of 302 (250703)
10-11-2005 8:37 AM
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10-11-2005 8:30 AM


Re: Tune in to Apocalypse News Channel
Well, this is Apocalypse News Channel, what do you expect? Some time soon, something's gotta break...

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Omnivorous
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Message 6 of 302 (250716)
10-11-2005 9:29 AM
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10-11-2005 8:37 AM


Re: Tune in to Apocalypse News Channel
Well, this is Apocalypse News Channel, what do you expect? Some time soon, something's gotta break...
Sure. "Things fall apart--it's scientific!" (Talking Heads)

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Jazzns
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Message 7 of 302 (250721)
10-11-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by crashfrog
10-11-2005 7:58 AM


Waaaaait a minute
Crash please. Some of us are not raving futurist apocolyptics. There is a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the Apocolypse of John that does not include this notion of a future end times with all the suffering and craziness involved. So don't put us Christians all in one box please.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Funkaloyd
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Message 8 of 302 (250726)
10-11-2005 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Omnivorous
10-11-2005 9:29 AM


Re: Tune in to Apocalypse News Channel
This song came on as I was reading this thread. Coincidence?

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Heathen
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Message 9 of 302 (250758)
10-11-2005 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thor
10-11-2005 7:46 AM


pat robertson writes:
These things are starting to hit with amazing regularity," Mr Robertson told CNN on Sunday, remarking on the coincidence of the devastating earthquake that killed tens of thousands in Pakistan and India at the weekend and the recent hurricanes that tore through the southern United States and Central America.
Funny... I suspect he wouldn't have though of this unless 1200 people had been killed in the good 'ol USA... 1200..... it really is nothing.
rwandan genocide = 800,000
Tsunami = 300,000
Iranian earthquake = 70,000
Children per day from starvation = ??,000 (and rising)
watched Fox news the other night and they had a guy on (forget the name) spouting similar things, "god is punishing us" etc.
he went very quiet when it was pointed out that the only surviving part of N'Orleans was the french qtr. the most 'sinful ' part of the city.
to be honest I was very shocked and dissappointed they gave this crank airtime. God!(who?) I miss the BBC!

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Omnivorous
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Message 10 of 302 (250766)
10-11-2005 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jazzns
10-11-2005 9:39 AM


Re: Waaaaait a minute
Jazzns writes:
So don't put us Christians all in one box please.
I thought only scientific splitters preferred individual boxes

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Jazzns
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Message 11 of 302 (250772)
10-11-2005 11:14 AM
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10-11-2005 11:00 AM


Re: Waaaaait a minute
What? I don't understand your reply at all.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Silent H
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Message 12 of 302 (250777)
10-11-2005 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thor
10-11-2005 7:46 AM


I was watching that guy daily well over ten years ago and it was the same tune. Of course he made it sound more imminent with the whole millenium thing coming up.
He'd usually use each tragedy, or potential tragedy, to pinpoint a message God was sending. I am still waiting for him to explain the exact messages we have been getting... God lifts his hand and...
1) After Bush becomes Prez Islamic terrorists are allowed to succeed in a massive terrorist attack on the US, successfully destroying military and economic centers of power.
2) Shuttle flight used by Prez and Israeli PM as massive prideful gloating about their religions, stuffing it with religious iconography (a torah which survived the holocaust) and religious crewmembers, touted as holier than thou. Burns up across the US, specifically over Bush's home state.
3) Enemies escape our invasion of Afghanistan, and foil our supposedly timely victory in Iraq. This is not to mention the massive intelligence gaffes he caused,making us look really stupid.
4) Massive tidal wave hits Indonesia wiping out many people, yet intriguingly in one spot allows only a mosque to remain standing amongst the devastation.
5) Storms pound our southern coast, hitting our oil production power as well as our Prez's home state. Left alone is the supposedly sinfullest part of the nation, or at least the south.
6) After massive prayer campaign for God to remove those he does not like from the Supreme Court, one of the staunchest "conservatives" was struck dead, and another moderate conservative was forced off due to illness imposed on her husband (presumably by God).
7) A massive earthquake wreaks horrible damage on a nation allied with our cause.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. There is a pattern emerging, yes?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Omnivorous
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Message 13 of 302 (250793)
10-11-2005 11:59 AM
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10-11-2005 11:14 AM


Re: Waaaaait a minute
Just an obscure, joking reference to my mental image after reading your post of Christians being stuffed, not into one box, but into many, and to the fact that those who sort out taxonomy tend to fall into one of two camps: those that tend to make maximal divisions (splitters) and those that tend to make minimal divisions (joiners or lumpers).
Sorry for the lack of clarity.

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Omnivorous
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Message 14 of 302 (250800)
10-11-2005 12:08 PM
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10-11-2005 11:20 AM


Well done reading of signs and portents, Holmes. I expect Bush to become a pillar of salt, live on Fox, at any moment now.
Just a nitpick, really, but I've always seen the increased frequency and fury of hurricanes hitting the southern U.S. as a divine response to the GOP Southern strategy of racial divide and conquer, the theft of the 2000 election, and the suppression of turnout in the 2004 election (all debatable, of course, but God and I know what really happened).
Of course, anyone who sympathized with hostage-to-life Terri Schaivo might like to give Florida a good pounding as well.
I once asked someone who promoted AIDS as divine punishment against gays why, then, are so many gay people talented and affluent? I left him muttering something about Satanic bargains...

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Jazzns
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Message 15 of 302 (250825)
10-11-2005 1:47 PM
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10-11-2005 11:59 AM


Re: Waaaaait a minute
No that is ok. Now that I get it it is kinda funny. But only in that way when you don't get the joke and have to have someone explain it to you.
Ha ha....uh...ha....

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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