Of course, one is left desperately asking - 'What were the First Responders doing whilst she was laying on hands?' Had they attempted CPR?
I'm not trying to be a killjoy, its a heart warming christmas tale to hear that miracles are still happening. Indeed, I'm sure many people have been touched by such miracles during the festive season and it gives them strength and bolsters their faith. 'Tis the season after all.
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Mrs Gwidt sounds like the sort of nice person who'll pray for the neighbors' Shih-tsu to be relieved of its constipation and then tell her customers about the resulting miracle for weeks afterward. Read The Demon-Haunted World, Randman.
I didn't see how this was related to the debate. It's a news story, and not a scientific story and so seemed best suited to Coffee House. It's not meant to be debated in a formal sense as the news story, nor the woman, nor I am doing anything more than retelling an event. It's not like we are going to try to experiment on people, flat-lining them and then see how many we can bring back via prayer.
Actually it isnt up to me to prove it is not a miracle. It is up to you and those that profess it is to do the proving. YOu cannot prove soething is not. The onus is on those that claims something is sopmething to do the proving. YOu see here is the problem with a lot of this faith stuff. Fundies always insist on nonbelievers proving that soemthing isnt when those professing have to prove it is.http://bfuentes.blogspot.com/ Exposing the radical right with facts
My point here is you made a claim you cannot prove. You should say it is not scientifically proven it was a miracle, not that you know it was not a miracle because frankly, you do not know, and have no evidence at all except this news story.
I accept the story as true and you do not. That's reality.
Your childish insistence it is not a miracled based on no evidence at all is indicative of evos in general. You assert somethign you cannot substantiate and then when called on it, run.
I readily admitted when I placed this in Coffee House that I wasn't trying to "prove" it was a miracle. I believe the story since I have seen miracles, and you do not.