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RAZD
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Message 1 of 17 (386505)
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


Anti-evolution memo stirs controversy
quote:
The Anti-Defamation League is calling on state Rep. Ben Bridges to apologize for a memo distributed under his name that says the teaching of evolution should be banned in public schools because it is a religious deception stemming from an ancient Jewish sect.
Bridges (R-Cleveland) denies having anything to do with the memo. But one of his constituents said he wrote the memo with Bridges’ approval before it was recently distributed to lawmakers in several states, including Texas, California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio.
“Indisputable evidence ” long hidden but now available to everyone ” demonstrates conclusively that so-called ”secular evolution science’ is the Big-Bang 15-billion-year alternate ”creation scenario’ of the Pharisee Religion,” the memo says. “This scenario is derived concept-for-concept from Rabbinic writings in the mystic ”holy book’ Kabbala dating back at least two millennia.”
It also directs readers to a Web site http://www.fixedearth.com, which includes model legislation that calls the Kabbala “a mystic, anti-Christ ”holy book’ of the Pharisee Sect of Judaism.” The Web site also declares “the earth is not rotating . nor is it going around the sun.”
Bridges acknowledged that he talked to Hall about filing legislation this year that would end the teaching of evolution in Georgia’s public schools. Bridges said the views in the memo belong to Hall, though Bridges said he doesn’t necessarily disagree with them.
“I agree with it more than I would the Big Bang Theory or the Darwin Theory,” Bridges said. “I am convinced that rather than risk teaching a lie why teach anything?”
So we have a lawmaker that is unable to distinguish between outright falsehood and reality ...
I've also bookmarked http://www.fixedearth.com for reference. Fascinating delusions eh?
The comments are interesting to read as well.
Enjoy
ps - "in the News" forum eh?
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Message 2 of 17 (386506)
02-22-2007 7:23 AM


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Modulous
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Message 3 of 17 (386516)
02-22-2007 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


Follow up
Dallas Morning
quote:
House Appropriations Chairman Warren Chisum said Wednesday that he's "willing to apologize" for giving colleagues a document that contains what the Anti-Defamation League called "outrageous anti-Semitic material."
...
He said he believes creation and evolution should both be taught in schools, and he separated himself from what he called "goofy stuff" on the Web site.
"I did not go to the Web site, which I understood maybe I should've done," he said.
League officials said they also sent a letter to Mr. Bridges' office and are investigating whether the document has been distributed in any other statehouses across the country.
...
Rep. Scott Hochberg, a Jewish Democrat from Houston, said he was disturbed by the memo and the "nonsensical, anti-Semitic rant" in the Web site - but that he believed Mr. Chisum's statement that he was "blindsided."
"I take him at his word," Mr. Hochberg said.

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jar
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Message 4 of 17 (386540)
02-22-2007 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


Ben Bridges is an idiot.
First off, there are about three things in Cleveland, GA that are of any significance, two Jewish Summer Camps and Babyland General (anyone with a young daughter MUST make a pilgrimage to Babyland General while they are still young enough to enjoy it. Call ahead with your credit card information though.)
While there though, also set aside time to visit Ruby Falls.

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Message 5 of 17 (386566)
02-22-2007 12:33 PM
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02-22-2007 10:47 AM


*clears throat*
why daughter?

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Message 6 of 17 (386567)
02-22-2007 12:34 PM
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02-22-2007 7:13 AM


“I am convinced that rather than risk teaching a lie why teach anything?”
and there is a chance, that algebra could be proven bunk tomorrow. should we fail to teach that?
people are so ridiculous.

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Message 7 of 17 (386571)
02-22-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


X-posted on my lj... an open letter to Ben Bridges.
Dear Rep. Bridges,
You found us out. Yes, we Jews are indeed attempting to sink our claw-like tendrils into every corner of the globe. Of course, this will involve spreading the dark spectre of our vampiric usury to every corner of your Christian god's America. And yes, this will almost certainly be accomplished by maintaining a stranglehold on the banks of New York and movie studios of Los Angeles. The Jewish Menace will most definitely program your children through financial control and intellectual brainwashing. You have to admit, when combined with mystic rites of Kabbalistic elders, it's a winning plan for world domination.
But we will be benign masters. We only seek matzoh for our young, who will be fed by regurgitation as they fester in their larval sacks.
Fucking twit.
Sincerely,
Dan Carroll

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Message 8 of 17 (386621)
02-22-2007 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


I saw this story the other day and my forehead is still smarting from its repeated abusive contact with a wall.
How do these people get elected??
I have to agree that http://www.fixedearth.com is fascinating reading, but I have to do it in spurts. Not only does the subject make my face hurt from laughing and my brain hurt from twisting, but the constant change in font and color really makes my eyes hurt. Someone should let them know that color blocks around text is a dead giveaway for bullshit.

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Jaderis
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Message 9 of 17 (386622)
02-22-2007 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dan Carroll
02-22-2007 12:42 PM


So Jews are like the Ra'zac in the Inheritance Trilogy?
Interesting.

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Coragyps
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Message 10 of 17 (386655)
02-22-2007 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Jaderis
02-22-2007 5:05 PM


How do these people get elected??
Elected? How do they have enough brains to breathe?
Our Rep. Chisum seems to be backpedaling furiously, too - passing out this bullcrap to his fellow legislators without even looking at it, apparently. Wow.

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RAZD
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Message 11 of 17 (386672)
02-22-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Coragyps
02-22-2007 7:56 PM


... passing out this bullcrap to his fellow legislators without even looking at it, apparently. Wow.
Yep. Show great critical thinking capability .... as in red-lined critical?

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Message 12 of 17 (386857)
02-24-2007 8:51 AM
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Coragyps writes:
Elected? How do they have enough brains to breathe?
That would be assuming two things. Firstly, that brains are needed to be elected. Secondly, that they are needed to breathe. Neither of those are correct. (unless you are literal with your definition of "brains", and count the brainstem as part of it).

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Message 13 of 17 (386895)
02-24-2007 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
02-22-2007 7:13 AM


www.fixedearth.com writes:
Theoretical physicist Kaku lays the foundation, saying: “By unraveling the mystery of creation, a God-like power would be put into the hands of humans
That is interesting, as it is precisely the claim made by the so-called 'creation or life scientists' of the post-science movement. What that means, or how it ties together, I have no idea.
Anyway, I find the problem that the authors of this site have with an attempt to make a holy book fit into and explain science, pretty funny. Isn't it the same thing they are doing?

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RAZD
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Message 14 of 17 (386901)
02-24-2007 3:23 PM
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02-24-2007 2:50 PM


.. the so-called 'creation or life scientists' of the post-science movement.
Who? I've no idea what you are referring to here. After science movement?
... an attempt to make a holy book fit into and explain science, pretty funny.
It seems to me that those people (fixedearth) were attempting to force evidence to match their delusions of how the world operates, rather than seeing where the evidence leads. The difference between them and creationists is in degree rather than kind of forcing\delusion involved.
It will be interesting to see how any YEC proponent could draw a line and say those people are delusional, but their view of a young earth is rational.

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Message 15 of 17 (386903)
02-24-2007 4:19 PM
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02-24-2007 3:23 PM


It will be interesting to see how any YEC proponent could draw a line and say those people are delusional, but their view of a young earth is rational.
not really, I think. When you're delusional, logic doesn't really matter. Nor do hilarious contradictions. So they'll be able to safely denounce the flat-earth delusion and still accept their young-earth delusion, w/o being bothered by the contradiciton and/or failure of logic.

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