I've withdrawn this as a proposed new topic for now for the following;
I didn't realize if I edited it to "delete all" everything would go away (evidently even previus posts). Here's the deal, I've posted this on other forums before, and it's
EXTREMELY emotional in it's subject matter, although heated debate is fruitful, this one grows too much fruit. It's out of character for me to avoid conflict (as we all are well aware of)...this damn thing is a very, very hot "potatoe" (from the "New Quail" dictionary).
My intent with it was and is to have "believers" re-think why they believe what they believe...and it does that to extremes I could never imagine. It's very upsetting for some to think about. It's gotten' firey emotions out of even agnostics (non-commital bastards (worse than the Sweedish)).
If you guys REALLY want to debate this topic, be my guest, but be forwarned, what you may learn about yourselves and each other when it comes to your faith and beliefs being vivisectioned is not very pretty.
I think you guys should discuss discussing this first.