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mastertrell
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Message 1 of 29 (312807)
05-17-2006 11:46 AM


Hinduism supports reincarnation as well as Buddhism. Here's the thing, it has been documented that children have told their parents about stuff they couldn't possablely known that happened in a previous life. There are hundreds of documented recordings that later prove to be true. I concentrate of children cause they are less likely to lie or make stuff up like adults, but also more importantly they haven't learned enough or been around long enough to know what they are saying. Case in point, there was a child who was 3 talk about parts of an airplane, and talked about a girl he married and his parents thought this strange, but he went on and on, and had names and dates and all this that they decided to check it out and with a private investigator they found proof that what he was saying matches up with an air force person who died during ww2, and this person lived thousands of miles away from this family. This is just one case. Now let's talk miracles and power of the Hindu faith. Back in 1997, a sign came, and every single statue of a cow in the temples across the world began to drink milk, India had to shut down for a day as no one went to work and everyone was at the temples feeding milk to the statues. It only happened this one day and hasn't since. Our media covered it but didn't give it much credit, since we are mainly Christian focus. But if you combine an unexplainable event with facts that reincarnation is real. you must give some time to teach the Hindu creation story in schools too. I don't want just the bible's way taught I want the Hindu way which is more believable, has more credibility, and can be scrutinized by science.

{Prior to topic release, changed topic title from "I have another proof for intelligent design" to "Hinduism and Reincarnation". - Adminnemooseus

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fixed typo in topic title.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.


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Message 2 of 29 (312839)
05-17-2006 12:48 PM
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05-17-2006 11:46 AM


Topic has nothing to do with intelligent design
As I see it, message 1 contains nothing to do with intelligent design.

What is the point you're proposing to debate here? To me, it looks like what we call a "drive by preaching", about reincarnation.

You have a lot of unsupported assertions about hard to believe happenings. We need some references, preferably from on-line sources, to back up these assertions.

Also, please try to break messages into paragraphs, with a blank line between the paragraphs.

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mastertrell
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Message 3 of 29 (313145)
05-18-2006 9:42 AM
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05-17-2006 12:48 PM


Re: Topic has nothing to do with intelligent design
(okay I cleaned it up a bit and added 2 links for evidence, one is a miracle of the cows drinking milk, the other is about reincarnation
http://www.luminocities.com/miracles.htm
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html
)

In evolution vs creationism, I want to present the other side of creationism, Hinduism. It has a plethora of small and big miracles like Christianity does, basically to reinforce one’s belief in their god. It has facts that seem to be backed by science too, which I shall note. Therefore I think Hinduism should be given a fair and unbiased look at intelligent design.

Hinduism supports reincarnation as well as Buddhism. Here's the thing, it has been documented that children have told their parents about stuff they couldn't possablely known that happened in a previous life. There are hundreds of documented recordings that later prove to be true. I concentrate on children cause they are less likely to lie or make stuff up like adults, but also more importantly they haven't learned enough or been around long enough to know what they are saying.

Case in point, there was a child who was 3, talk about parts of an airplane and talked about a girl he married and his parents thought this strange, but he went on and on, and had names and dates and all this that they decided to check it out and with a private investigator. They found proof that what he was saying matches up with an air force person who died during ww2, and this person lived thousands of miles away from this family. This is just one case.

Now let's talk miracles and power of the Hindu faith. Back in 1997, a sign came, and every single statue of a cow in the temples across the world began to drink milk, India had to shut down for a day as no one went to work and everyone was at the temples feeding milk to the statues. It only happened this one day and hasn't since. Our media covered it but didn't give it much credit, since we are mainly Christian focus. Given the fact that reincarnation has evidence to support it and a mass miracle happened world wide kind of tends to put credible weight on a religion. Now to the creationism part, I don’t see why they don’t offer all the cultures and religions as alternatives to evolution. They say they want choices and it’s not about the bible or religion, they even call it intelligent design, so let’s get all the intelligent designs we can. You must give some time to teach the Hindu creation story in schools too. I don't want just the bible's way taught I want the Hindu way which is more believable, has more credibility, and can be scrutinized by science.

http://www.luminocities.com/miracles.htm

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html

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Message 4 of 29 (313216)
05-18-2006 1:37 PM
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05-18-2006 9:42 AM


Re: Topic has nothing to do with intelligent design
I think I am willing to spin-off message 3 to become message 1 of a new topic, but I do think the topic needs a better title, as (in my opinion of course) any connection to "intelligent design" is pretty minor.

How about the topic title "Hinduism and Reincarnation" as the new topic title?

I think this topic should go into the "Comparative Religions" forum.

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Message 5 of 29 (313271)
05-18-2006 5:35 PM
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05-18-2006 1:37 PM


Re: Topic has nothing to do with intelligent design
okay what ever gets this posted, you can change the title to that

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Message 6 of 29 (313859)
05-20-2006 10:27 AM
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05-18-2006 9:42 AM


Ditch the "statues drinking milk" part
I have received an e-mail from a member, who states:

I'd just thought you know before you promote that topic that the miracle concerning statues drinking milk was a result of a scandle involving one of their priests that messed with all the statues. A naturally occuring phenomana was responsible for the "miracle".

This item seems pretty marginal to the central theme of reincarnation anyway. I suggest deleting it and the relevant reference from your content.

I guess the rest of your message 3 is OK, but since you're being called to do a rewrite anyway, you might look at some rewriting of the content that stays.

Please submit the new version as a reply to this message. I will change the topic title to "Hinduism and Reincarnation" if and when the topic is promoted.

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Message 7 of 29 (313906)
05-20-2006 1:58 PM
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05-20-2006 10:27 AM


Re: Ditch the "statues drinking milk" part
actually that is not true, there was alot fo pressure by chritian groups ot censore this miracle. I watched a small program on it and they tried to recreate the miracle and they couldn't the capilary induction is actually false, as the statue drank many times thier weight. Also journalists have tried to recreate it by feeding the cows again and they couldn't.

Also thies miracle was world wide not just confined ot india. One or two mad priests couldn't have "fixed" all the statues. So no i diagree whole heartedly and say the evidence is real. Let the people decide on the forum, many people alter facts and like to interprit them to further thier own cuases, maybe I was douped by the show cause that is what they did. But with it so wide spreading I just can't believe they could have that infastructure to fix all those statues and without people knowing.

What i don't understand about this forum is that the administrators should at most look for spelling errors or block people who use hate or attack other people or even use curse words. ANY other kind of censore is attack to free speech, it isn't your duty to sort through facts let people do that. it's not your job to edit what one person wants ot say, unless there are gramatical errors. In doing so you hurt free speech which is based on people giving thier own ideas unfiltered. I like how educated people are on this board that is why I like to post here. thank you


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Message 8 of 29 (313988)
05-20-2006 7:53 PM
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OK, I'll reluctantly promote this topic
Per Quetzal's suggestion.

Going to change the title to "Hinduism and Reincarnation" and release the whole thing, not just an individual message.

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Message 9 of 29 (313991)
05-20-2006 7:54 PM


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Message 10 of 29 (313994)
05-20-2006 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by mastertrell
05-18-2006 9:42 AM


Cows drinking milk
Back in 1997, a sign came, and every single statue of a cow in the temples across the world began to drink milk,

Hi Mastertrell. Welcome to EvC

There must be what, millions of cow statues. Is there any video evidence of cows drinking milk?

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Message 11 of 29 (314049)
05-20-2006 11:33 PM
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Re: OK, I'll reluctantly promote this topic
Thank you O' Great Mooseus. Your wisdom is exceeded only by your, erm, horniness. I predict 2 pages.

Edited by Quetzal, : flippancy


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Message 12 of 29 (314063)
05-21-2006 12:56 AM
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05-20-2006 8:07 PM


Re: Cows drinking milk
Click For video

something odd going on but I an deeply sceptical (would want scientific analasis on all those statues


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Message 13 of 29 (314105)
05-21-2006 8:51 AM
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05-21-2006 12:56 AM


Re: Cows drinking milk
Was there was some scientific analysis done? I would have assumed that analysis would be fairly simple - there was no vacuum pump attached, no way to drain the milk and that the volume 'consumed' exceeded the volume of the statue, that an SI spoon was used and that the milk was milk. Not exactly all that difficult to check out.

Surely some scientists of repute did check it out. 24 hours or longer in the case of some statues. Why the relative dearth of information. I googled "milk miracle" "scientific investigation (and other such words)" and got a page and a bit.

Did science presume hoax/illusion and not bother?


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Message 14 of 29 (314121)
05-21-2006 11:02 AM
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Re: Cows drinking milk
ohnai

Have you ever had cookies with milk?


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mastertrell
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Message 15 of 29 (314146)
05-21-2006 12:33 PM
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05-20-2006 8:07 PM


Re: Cows drinking milk
There is evidence, if you can dig up old cnn video clips they actually showed the reporters doing it from cnn. they held the spoon to the cow and th emilk disappeared so yes it is documented. Also there was a special on it as well on the discovery channel. Unfortuntely it was all a long time ago, and getting the video or transcripts would be hard.

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