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Topic: answersincreation.org (Literal Genesis AND Old Earth Creationism?)
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3976 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 6.0
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Message 1 of 105 (207135)
05-11-2005 2:08 PM
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Theistic Evolutionism???
Creation Science Randy cited a page from this site here. This is a site I have never encountered before, and I have yet to explore other than a light skimming of the Randy cite. It sure looks to have a lot to offer. From the home page:
Answers In CreationBringing the Bible and Science Together Without Conflict Welcome to Answers in Creation, a creation science ministry believing in an inerrant Word of God and a literal interpretation of Genesis. We also believe the earth is billions of years old. We apply logic and common sense to creation science, and bring conservative Christianity and Old Earth Creationism together, without conflict. It will be interesting to see how they try to achieve the above. It would seem to require some variety of theistic evolutionism. Moose Edit: Added last sentence and subtitle. This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 05-11-2005 02:21 PM
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
A neat site for open minded Christians who are newbies to the debate. I started there but found it a bit lacking past the basics. They don't explicitly support any one particular old earth paradigm. They cater to Progressive Creationists, Theistic Evos, etc. The main thing there is...gasp....promote honesty!
FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX. -- Lewis Black, The Daily Show
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1642 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
i'll have to give thata look. i'm well verse in both areas, and i fail to see how they could work together.
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3976 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 6.0
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Bumpity-Bump
I just managed to bumble onto this (somewhat) old topic I started. Seems like years ago, but it was only 6 months ago. This time I actually got a few of their articles read. Repeating the link from message 1: Creation Science Note that they offer "printer friendly" PDF versions of their articles. The PDF's are also much more (IMO) reader friendly. The drawback is that the links aren't there or don't work in the PDF's, but for them you can go back to the HTML version. Moose
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Modulous
Member (Idle past 283 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
I read through this site a while ago myself. It uses things like the Yom/Age argument and the like IIRC.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1703 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Links to Science articles
They have some interesting links on their science news page http://www.answersincreation.org/science_news.htm - Global warming and fossil preservations - Dark Matter (found? or still just theoretical) - Oxygen levels and evolution They seem rather proud to toot their horns about their acceptance of science in relationship to YEC views .... I followed the last to it's link to http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2005/10/051003080102.htm and then the link from there to http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/science/falkowski.shtml
From a steady 10 percent - the level at which dinosaurs flourished - the oxygen percentage rose to 17 percent 50 million years ago and then to 23 percent by 40 million years ago. The researchers found that the rise in oxygen content in the fossil record corresponded to the rapid rise of large, placental mammals. "The more oxygen, the bigger the mammals," Falkowksi says. "We argue that the rise in oxygen content allowed mammals to become very, very large - mammals like 12-foot-tall sloths and huge saber-toothed cats. They paved the way for all subsequent large mammals, including ourselves." The results described in Falkowski's article, "The Rise of Oxygen Over the Past 205 Million Years and the Evolution of Large Placental Mammals," stem from years of analysis of organic and inorganic core samples. In the last 10 million years, the percentage of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere has decreased to 21 percent. Falkowski says many scientists believed that great fires burned over the earth about 10 million years ago, reducing the number of trees, and, therefore, the amount of photosynthesis and oxygen. The cited article is: Falkowski et al., The Rise of Oxygen Over the Past 205 Million Years and the Evolution of Large Placental Mammals, Science 2005 309: 2202-2204 Just a moment...(requires sign-in) Can be a good site for showing that not all crhristians need to find problems with evolution, fossils, age of the earth, etc, while still maintaining faith. {abe} The major difference I see between them and the YEC\ID sites is that they link to existing science articles outside their site, rather than articles that put spin on interpretations of articles. I take this as a "here is the information, make up your own mind" approach. {/abe} Enjoy. This message has been edited by RAZD, 11*05*2005 07:47 AM
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Nighttrain
Member (Idle past 4292 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: 06-08-2004
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Re: Bumpity-Bump
Dunno,Moose, it started well and then I got to the line--'the Bible is the inerrant word of God'====== (sigh)
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1642 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 8 of 105 (257096)
11-05-2005 3:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Modulous
11-05-2005 5:50 AM
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
I read through this site a while ago myself. It uses things like the Yom/Age argument and the like IIRC. that argument annoys me. yom does not mean anything besides a literal day in that context. the whole thing could be metaphorical -- but the words don't change their literal meaning.
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Adminnemooseus
Administrator Posts: 3987 Joined: 09-26-2002
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Message 9 of 105 (257315)
11-06-2005 2:35 PM
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Has changed from being a links topic to being a debate topic
Thread moved here from the Links and Information forum. Originally belonged in the "Links and Information" forum, but no longer does. Adminnemooseus This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-06-2005 02:37 PM
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3976 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 6.0
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Message 10 of 105 (257318)
11-06-2005 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Modulous
11-05-2005 5:50 AM
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Literal Bible/Genesis, Yom/Day considerations
They seem to give lip service to accepting Biblical literalism and absolute accuracy, while at the same time (correctly IMO) asserting that such things as the age of the Earth are not really important in the big picture of "the true fundimentals" of Christianity. At their "Old-Earth Belief" page http://www.answersincreation.org/old.htmhttp://www.answersincreation.org/print/old.pdf (both better printer and reader friendly) they give there arguments for flexibility in what the length of Yom is. Moose
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Cold Foreign Object 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3346 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
It will be interesting to see how they try to achieve the above. It would seem to require some variety of theistic evolutionism. Where does the Bible say the Earth is young ? Ray
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 4226 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
the bible claims the earth was created in seven days. well. six days and a nap to finish. the physical and biological evidence of nature suggests something much different. i personally am quite capable of accepting the genesis stories as just that... stories. they're simplistic, they don't line up with each other, and they don't even profess to explain creation, but rather respectively why snakes don't have legs and why people get married instead of living with their parents forever and squirting out crotch droppings at home.
i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.
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randman
Suspended Member (Idle past 5197 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Re: Theistic Evolutionism???
What kind of days? The Bible in the same place refers to all 6 days as "the day" which means according to the Bible a "day" can at least equal all of the first 6 days. Seems to me that the Bible itself suggests "day" means something different than just 24 hour periods here, or that perhaps time is relative and so 6 days can mean just one day depending on one's perspective, and who knows what 6 days or one day is to God.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1642 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 14 of 105 (261189)
11-19-2005 1:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 13 by randman
11-19-2005 12:51 AM
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the days of the week
What kind of days?
- יוֹם אֶחָד, "one day."
- יוֹם שֵׁנִי, "monday"
- יוֹם שְׁלִישִׁי, "tuesday"
- יוֹם רְבִיעִי, "wednesday"
- יוֹם חֲמִישִׁי, "thursday"
- יוֹם הַשִּׁשִּׁי, "friday"
- יוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, longer version of "shabbat," saturday.
genesis 1:1-2:4 is the etiology of the hebrew work-week.
according to the Bible a "day" can at least equal all of the first 6 days. בְּיוֹם, or "in the day" means "when" and is indefinate. yom has four usages:
- "day" as in 24hrs
--"...And the evening and the morning were the first day."
- "day" as in "daytime"
--"And God called the light Day"
- "days" as in "the days of someones's lives" numbering out to years
--"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years"
- "in the day that" meaning "when."
--"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." these usages don't leave room for an interpretative day-age reading. {editted to add verses} This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 11-19-2005 01:17 AM
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 4226 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Re: the days of the week
i see jew-class is good for something  make me some latkes bitch. (no seriously. i need me some oil.. we totally need to crash someone's hannukah dinner.)
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