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CK
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Message 1 of 8 (313943)
05-20-2006 4:07 PM


What happened to that "experiment?"

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Message 2 of 8 (314226)
05-21-2006 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
05-20-2006 4:07 PM


Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember it being declared a spectacular failure. As I recall, it simply never accomplished anything resembling its intended purpose, and so was ultimately dumped. As far as I'm aware, that's really all there was to it. I don't believe it was anything more complicated than that, but, once again, if there's something I've missed others may wish to chime in.

Ferret brain activity increased just 20 percent when looking at Keanu Reeves compared to looking at darkness, the study found.

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Message 3 of 8 (314279)
05-22-2006 8:49 AM
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05-21-2006 9:23 PM


Tony650 writes:
Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember it being declared a spectacular failure.
In retrospect it is obvious that Bootcamp could only have worked if the inmates recognized that they were miscreants in need of rehabilitation. The reality is that they perceived themselves as the victims of an overzealous and biased moderator force.
Teachers and professors around the world can tell you of the difficulties presented by a student who thinks they know as much or more than them. Until such students realize that's not the case they will learn nothing, and they will be an obstacle to other's learning because they disrupt the class.
EvC Forum is not a classroom, but it often hosts people who not only don't know much, they aren't even aware of it. It would be nice to be able to provide a forum where such people could be brought up to speed, but there are two significant obstacles. The first was already mentioned - few people believe they're in need of any remediation.
The second is the nature of the medium - I've come to the conclusion that a discussion board is a poor educational medium. There are many great websites where you can learn a lot, but the discussion board format faces certain drawbacks. Where there are many informative posts here of very high quality, there's also a lot of noise. Let's face it, even textbooks and educational websites take considerable effort to learn from, so it's not hard to see why a discussion board dialogue would face severe difficulties in this regard.
Naturally we're still always looking for new ideas for improvements.
--Percy

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Message 4 of 8 (314513)
05-23-2006 2:11 AM
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05-22-2006 8:49 AM


Percy
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In retrospect it is obvious that Bootcamp could only have worked if the inmates recognized that they were miscreants in need of rehabilitation.
And just how often do we hear of cases where the defendants proudly say "I deserve to go to jail to be rehabilitated..."?

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Percy
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Message 5 of 8 (314555)
05-23-2006 9:12 AM
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05-23-2006 2:11 AM


rgb writes:
And just how often do we hear of cases where the defendants proudly say "I deserve to go to jail to be rehabilitated..."?
Yeah, precisely. Some didn't think they'd violated the guidelines, other's understood that they had but believed they'd been provoked. If Randman were a gunslinger he would have laid whole towns to waste, claiming that they'd started it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 6 of 8 (314562)
05-23-2006 9:48 AM


Randman Redux
In one of my replies to his emails to me after his suspension of privileges I suggested to Randman that he try participating at other boards with moderation, and he replied that he participated in other moderated forums and that he had no problems there. I just recalled this while entering my previous post, so I Googled for "randman haeckel". Turns out he was at Internet Infidels a few years ago with the same style:
randman writes:
It is sad to see so many of you obviously mentally afflicted with a willful disposition to not acknowledge facts. (Link to cached thread of Internet Infidels)
And he got the same kind of replies he got here:
Daggah writes:
pangloss just took the time to write out a rather large and intelligently written post, and all you can do is sit there and continue to spout propaganda. You're not adding anything intelligent to the debate. Please, just stop wasting our time. You've made it clear that you prefer ignorance to facts and truth.
hezekiah jones writes:
And Daggah is right. You've wasted a lot of good peoples' time, that have inundated you with information you've obstinately refused to consider.
After a bunch of replies along the same lines our guest of honor replies:
randman writes:
Hey, if you are too dumb to consider the idea of "kind", then that;s your problem, not mine. I am not going to waste my time with idiocy, and that is what some of ya'll's comments appear to me.
Our hero appears to have been recently over at Evolution Fairy Tale, see this thread.
--Percy

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CK
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Message 7 of 8 (314591)
05-23-2006 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
05-23-2006 9:48 AM


Re: Randman Redux
Randman was an interesting sort of chap in that he represented the "EVIDENCE" type of creationist. By that I mean that they have found one small area of the scientific process where they could be elements of misunderstanding or even fraud and then they tried to apply it to everything. Even when I was lurking it interesting to see how/where he could inject his "objections" to haeckel's work.
quote:
poster: So what do you think is the best way to make a cake?
Randman: Is it not obvious that any of cookbooks you have, will share the same sort of scientific fraud as the work of Haeckel and his diagrams? How can we even be sure the cake will raise when the diagrams clearly misrepresent the shape of a cake?
Poster: eh?
Randman: So you are unable to come up with an answer why this occurred, well if we look at diagram..... (and on and on)
It wasn't quite that bad but not far off.
It's interesting how you notice that he claimed to have no problems on other sides. I suspect to his mind he wasn't having any problems - he was destroying evolutionist lies and that was obvious to everyone (expect the evil evolunists).

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lfen
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Message 8 of 8 (314656)
05-23-2006 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by rgb
05-23-2006 2:11 AM


And just how often do we hear of cases where the defendants proudly say "I deserve to go to jail to be rehabilitated..."?
I thought the term bootcamp would be viewed as prejorative and offensive.
I had suggested that the forum be called "The Academy" in the sense of Greek philosophy where debaters could learn the niceties of debate and it wouldn't have the "you are guilty" label but more like you need to learn a bit more fundamentals.
Of course ego's being what they are that might not have been any more successful.
lfen

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