Boot Camp answer for Mike Hagan

I'm putting this here to avoid further topic contamination in the other thread Mike.I agree that your posts are excellent in content and style. I also sympathize in how annoying JAD can be.However, we are attemting to use the Boot Camp as an experiment to see if we can do something less drastic than suspending people completely. The idea has two side:
1) The boot campers are given more leeway in what they post. The camp allows others to focuss on helping them understand what is wrong with the form of their arguments rather than solely on the content. The intent is to both make clear that they aren't ready for the main fora but also that they can learn to do better.2) The non campers who wish to engage in the boot camp are reminded that they must be more patient and helpful than they might be in the main fora. The idea is that they do not have to participate but if they do they will be held to an even higher standard than in the other threads.That is this is even more non-symmetrical than the main fora (where literalist do get,generally, more lee way than others do). The campers are allowed to get away with more and the non-campers with less. That's the cost you pay for unrestricted posting priveleges.We don't like to suspend individuals if there is anyway to avoid it.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 11-02-2004 04:48 PM

The boot camp is a way to quarantine assertive debaters who will not let the evolutionist off the hook in debate. This preserves the evolutionist bunny farm freedom of movement at so the bunnies do not have to spend a lot of time cowering in their holes.It is like Stalin leaving some token churches standing rather than face the embarrassment of admitting the utter bankruptcy of the materialist philosophy and its inability to compete.Wise King Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun. Sadly, his words apply here.Sincerely,Ken

What a load of nonsense. "Assertive debaters" is an oxymoron.

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How many YEC moderators here?

Zero, and I think that's a very good number. I am inclined to go back to your phrase "assertive debaters." Being a mod means you have to at least know how to use evidence for your cause. "Assertive debaters" just assert something without any evidence and expect everyone to accept it as fact. That's why there's no YEC mods around.If we begin to accept mere assertions as facts, what's to stop me from asserting all persons who's usernames are identical to kendemyer are idiots?

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TO: LamOf all the boards I have been to I would say without question is the board where professed materialist are the most afraid to engage in real debate. Do you think that the unreasonable moderator interventions to stifle debate is not seen for what it is? Namely, window dressing for professed materialist cowardice. For the most part, I could carve out of a banana professed materialist with more backbone than atIt is no accident that this board does not have a lot of traffic. Keep up the good work boys and girls. Your efforts at avoiding real debate are self defeating. There are too many other boards willing to do so. I received a email today from a long time member of who wanted some alternative sites due to his/her current disatisfaction with . Again, your efforts at stifling debate is certainly not working to your advantage.Sincerely,Ken

Well, if you want to really debate the way evc-ners do, learn to use the English language the right way. Always use "an" in front of a word that starts with a vowel.Anyway, have fun enjoying another forum.By the way, if I remember correctly, you were one of those that kept asserting that the bible is against homosexuality. Mind sharing to us some of your wisdom here?

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Presumably by "assertive debators" you mena those like Willowtree and Salty who are unable to support their positiosn and resort to abuuse instead of reason. Those are the people who end up in the Boot Camp.Sorry Ken but your claims have no basis in reality.

TO: LamBeing a writing tutor for a university in the past I would say I need no grammatical help from you regarding an errata I may have used. I did look for the a/an in question but I did not see one. I have no problem admitting such trivial errors pointed out by your petty and picayune commentary. Perhaps you could petition the staff at to restore my edit function.Second, your post was an example of the style over substance logical fallacy regarding debating. Of course, I realize a quintessential professed materialist "debater" often uses illogical commentary so there is no need to admit you made an error. But given the penchant for evolutionist not to admit error it will not surprise me if you do not admit your error.Thirdly, I am thoroughly enjoying engaging in real debate at other forums. I think the whole is a cruise ship forum where macroevolutionist do not have to engage in any real debate battles. Intellectual integrity though is not developed on cruise ships it is develped on battleships. Perhaps someday many http://www.evcforum.com "debaters" would learn this.Sincerely,Ken

(1) I was kidding about your grammar. If you look closely, you will see far more grammatical mistakes in my posts than yours.(2) Huh?(3) The fact that you use the word "macroevolutionist" gives away just how ignorant you are of the evolutionist position.(4) Please comment in the homosexuality and the bible thread.

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TO: PaulkSadly I cannot say I could count the number of YEC moderators at on one hand. I think of all the task in the universe counting YEC moderators at http://www.evcforum is the easiest.cannot have real debate and watch the macroevolutionary position prevail. So the choice was made for no real debate to occur. Forgive me though if I laugh at the farce that has been created.Sincerely,Ken

TO: LamI do not believe I ever made any comments regarding homosexuality here. At least I do not recall any.Sincerely,Ken

TO: LamMacroevolution is a word. Get over it.I always remember to use the phrases "macroevolutionary position" or "macroevolutionary hypothesis" when using the word. Remember, Karl Popper was frank enough at one time to admit it was a mere hypothesis.Sincerely,Ken

but so is "White Superiority". Both are words for ideas that exist but the concepts they express have no existence in reality.Still, this is about the boot camp. I have read many of your posts, Ken. I have some advice for you... reasserting the same points over and over is not supporting them. Refusing to engage on a point is not winning it. I would be curious to see any actual debate you have engaged in that a rational observer would think you even held your own.The idea that creationists were moved to the boot camp because any one is afraid of them is ridiculous. The reason only creationists have been moved there is because they are the ones whose only way of expressing or defending an idea is by pedantic insistence.

TO: MikehagerI have an exciting professed materialist boot camp proposal!For details read: http://EvC Forum: Information -->EvC Forum: Information