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Taz Member (Idle past 2037 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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If creationists could spend a hundred million dollars to build a museum, why not spend the money on an experiment to prove that it was entirely possible for Noah and his family to take care of that many animal in an isolated system like the ark?
Seems pretty simple to me. Have a little less than a dozen good christian volunteers. Build a replica of the ark based on the specs from the bible. Put in it 2 animal of each "kind" and as much food and water as the replica ark could hold. Lock it up. Wait for a year and then open it up to see if anything is still alive. PS We've been having some pretty far fetched reality tv shows lately. I'd pay real money to see such an experiment being done.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3933 Joined: |
I can't help but feel I've seen this topic before, but I can't track it down.
Regardless, I don't see this as a debatable topic. It looks mostly as a place for a bunch of wise-ass remarks. Adminnemooseus votes "rejected". Adminnemooseus
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Admin Director Posts: 12708 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
This could be a fun way to explore a popular topic here, the feasibility of the Noah's ark story. I'd be particularly intrigued if when you say that a dozen Christian volunteers should build an ark based on specs from the Bible that we add to it that using period tools they also have to chop down their own trees and hew their own lumber while at the same time building the ark, producing enough food for themselves during construction and for the animals and themselves during the voyage, and gathering all the animals.
This *would* absolutely make a great reality show. One can imagine during the loading of the ark Shem saying to Noah, "The wolves are refusing to eat the hay we provided and ate the sheep again, we have to find more bloody sheep." I'll promote this topic, but will add Adminnemooseus's proviso that this thread not be used as vehicle for mockery and mayhem. Closing a thread is even easier than promoting one.
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Admin Director Posts: 12708 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Brian Member (Idle past 3705 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
It was only two of each kind of unclean animal, the clean animals numbered 14 of each 'kind', and 14 of each 'fowls of the air'. Genesis 7:1-3 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. The volunteers should also have only 7 days in which to collect all these animals. Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. There are a few 'unknowns' that would affect the experiment, for example, we do not know how many people were employed in the building of the Ark. Also, there are two Flood stories merged into one account, so which one do they go with?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Just a little correction to your theology. The volunteers would not have to collect any animal.
The animals showed up and went in. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 1443 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
I don't particularly see this as being helpful, though. To me, it seems like the failure of the experiment would only lead people to the conclusion that Noah's Ark was miraculous.
I think the only way to disprove the Ark is through geological and anthropological evidence, such as Coyote continues to assert. Aside from that, no experiment is really going to have any impact on any Christians' faith or belief system, nor will really change scientists' views on the subject, so I can understand why the ID movement isn't very interested in this sort of thing. Although, it would make a fun reality TV show: maybe the only one I'd ever watch beyond the first episode. Darwin loves you.
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Taz Member (Idle past 2037 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
That's the point. For years, the creos have been arguing that the flood and the noah's ark thing were not miracles and therefore should be taught in the science classroom.
I'd have to disagree with you here. Most christians... most people in general aren't educated enough to understand geological and anthropological evidence that you speak of. Heck, I don't understand the geological and anthropological evidence that you speak of. Geology and anthropology just ain't my thing. But an experiment in a form of a tv reality series. Now, THAT is good evidence that EVERYONE could understand. Added by edit. I vaguely remember someone on this board suggested that to solve the fresh water supply problem Noah had to drill a hole or two right below the water line. Yes, I know, only a creationist would suggest drilling a hole in your boat below the water line. Anyway, I was thinking that we could also put the replica ark on water and drill a hole or two in it right below the water line and put it on water to see how long it would stay afloat. This should be interesting. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 852 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I recall something on TV within the past year or so showing someone actually building an ark.
Sorry for not remembering any more details, or even the country (I think the US), but perhaps some creative googling could scare up the details.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 1443 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Taz.
I guess you do have a good point: the masses could relate better to reality TV than to science (scary thought, that). Still, the people who can't understand the scientific evidence and who would rely on reality TV for "proof" are still, the way I see it, the people who are likely to shrug at the failure of the experiment and say, "Then it was a miracle." So, I'm not so certain it's important to reach them with this evidence, except in relation to popular votes and court decisions about ID in science classrooms. Of course, the failure of your Ark experiment would be a fatal blow to Intelligent Design as a scientific endeavour. On the other hand, the success of the experiment would lend some credence to non-religious ID, so it could have interesting implications for the whole genre of creation-style sciences. Darwin loves you.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
You can find a 1/5 replica Here I don't think it would be a replica as it is built to navigate with. Noah would have build a rectangle barge type. He wasn't going anywhere. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Deftil Member (Idle past 3201 days) Posts: 128 From: Virginia, USA Joined: |
hmmm, lock 10 Christians away for a year and see if they die?
I appreciate where you're going with this but I foresee some difficult legal complications. j/k my theist friends!
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Taz Member (Idle past 2037 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Not just 10 christians. Lock 10 christians up with 2 of every animal on Earth. I'd like to see the miracle that will keep them all alive for a year in that death trap. Added by edit. Now, don't get me wrong. Christians have been saying to me for years that it's possible for 10 people to take care of that many animal in a closed environment like the ark for a year... not to mention all the food and fresh water they're suppose to carry on that (what I would describe as) death trap to last the whole group for a year. Prove me wrong, people. Prove me wrong. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Mespo Member (Idle past 1631 days) Posts: 158 From: Mesopotamia, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Hi Gang,
By all means, push the Reality TV bit. It would be a fascinating experiment in human interaction and survival. A bunch of humans and a boatload (literally) of animals, cooped up for a year. Throw in three judges to spice it up. ("I'm sorry Jason, but half the animals in your care have starved or been eaten. Over the side you go."). You can't fake your way out of Gawd-awful human behavior. (:raig
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pandion Member (Idle past 1746 days) Posts: 166 From: Houston Joined: |
Here's a little something I wrote some years ago.
One might also consider the air quality three decks down in that big wooden box. Consider the fumes given off by the pitch that covered the inside of the hull - that black, oozy, sticky stuff used for caulking. There would also be the fumes given off from the breakdown of all of that urine that had soaked into the wood decks. Also, the methane produced from the various digestive tracks. Not only would the air have been unpleasant, it would have been lethal.
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