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Message 1 of 107 (518912)
08-09-2009 2:57 PM


Apparently part of the course credit for classes on Intelligent Design at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is a requirement that the student

provide at least 10 posts defending ID that you’ve made on “hostile” websites, the posts totalling 2,000 words, along with the URLs (i.e., web links) to each post

link

Now, I was a liberal arts guy in college, so I can't speak from personal experience, but I highly doubt that any real science courses in which one gets a real science education at a real university or college has any similar course requirement. It seems that the Wedge Strategy is still alive.

Edited by subbie, : Noun change in title


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 2 of 107 (518915)
08-09-2009 3:10 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Creo troll recruiting center thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

    
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Message 3 of 107 (518919)
08-09-2009 5:18 PM
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08-09-2009 2:57 PM


This would explain a lot. Here we get waves of creo trolls, and they all seem to come at relatively the same times.

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Message 4 of 107 (518921)
08-09-2009 5:26 PM
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Evidently they don't have to show the responses that destroy their arguments. Then again I am sure that Dembski and his ilk do not care at all what the responses are. All that is important to them is to get the propaganda out.

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Message 5 of 107 (518928)
08-09-2009 6:54 PM
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08-09-2009 5:18 PM


Might be interesting to chart their activity, see how many of them simply disappear after 20 posts. Or, when we get a few showing up at the same time, ask them if they're getting course credit.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 6 of 107 (518929)
08-09-2009 7:00 PM
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08-09-2009 5:26 PM


Well, part of the Wedge Strategy is Publicity and Opinion-Making. I can see how they'd think that this sort of thing would further that goal. On the other hand, one would think they'd be more likely to make opinions if they went to websites where there weren't dozens of people to counter each point they posted. But I suppose by going to "hostile" websites, they imagine that they're creating evidence of a controversy that needs to be taught.

You know, the more I think about it, the more sense that makes. They know that they're not going to create any controversy in legitimate, professional publications. About the only avenue left for them is teh interwebs. And that would have the added advantage of being considerably more accessible to the general public than professional publications.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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Message 7 of 107 (518966)
08-10-2009 5:29 AM
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08-09-2009 2:57 PM


That whole page is a goldmine of hilarity, try downloading the final "exam" for the apologetics course and having a giggle.

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Message 8 of 107 (518967)
08-10-2009 5:43 AM
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Posts and Lesson Plans
Back when jar was an admin here, he told me in chat that the amount of new member/drive by YEC's directly correlated with the latest release of some 'Christian home school' lesson plans.

We should see some truly awful examples of reasoning in short order in the usual suspect forums, perhaps including here.


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This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen


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Message 9 of 107 (518968)
08-10-2009 6:59 AM
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08-09-2009 2:57 PM


A comment on the thread title
Thinking about it, I don't think branding these Cdesign propentists as trolls is valid. A troll seeks to cause flamewars for his own amusement, to rile and annoy, for no purpose other than the kick of winding someone up. These guys won't to save our souls, and spread the truth.

It's only a pity they've been so repeatedly lied to they couldn't recognide the truth if it bit them on the arse.


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Message 10 of 107 (518971)
08-10-2009 7:25 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
And while we're at it: could everybody please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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Message 11 of 107 (518972)
08-10-2009 7:28 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'.

Oh dear, somebody please explain


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Message 12 of 107 (518974)
08-10-2009 7:30 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
Parasomnium writes:

And while we're at it: could everybody please refrain from using the word 'proponentist'? The proper word is 'proponent', as opposed to 'opponent'.


We know. THEY wrote it like that themselves in "Of Pandas And People". Look it up in the Kitzmiller v. Dover case. We're just doing it to poke fun at them.


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Message 13 of 107 (518978)
08-10-2009 7:59 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
The predecessor textbook to Of Pandas and People freely used the word "creationist" to discribe the adherents of the belief. When creationism was ruled a religious belief rather then a science to be taught along with evolution the publishers, rather then scrapping the book, edited it by replacing "creationist" with "design proponents".

During the Dover trial, mentioned by Huntard, the ID'ists claimed that they were driven to this belief by the scientific evidence alone as explained in the ID'ist text Of Pandas and People, and that they had nothing to do with the earlier religious belief: creationism. Therefore, ID should be taught along with the ToE in science classes.

Someone going through the book, however, found a transcription error — itself ironic— where "creationist" had not been completely swiped and the insertion of "design proponent" only replace the "reation" leaving "cdesign proponetist" proving that ID was a direct, evolutionary descendent of Creationism; therefore, having no place in a science classroom.

AbE: I agree with the objection to "Troll", BTW.

Edited by lyx2no, : e


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
- Thomas Jefferson

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Message 14 of 107 (518989)
08-10-2009 8:50 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
cavediver writes:

Oh dear, somebody please explain

Damn, do I feel like a pedantist all of a sudden!


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Message 15 of 107 (519003)
08-10-2009 11:26 AM
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Re: A comment on the thread title
Don't worry, I read most of Peanuts as a child, not having a clue what c'mon meant - I though it was someone's name

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