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Percy
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Message 1 of 12 (521448)
08-27-2009 1:50 PM


You might expect that the Communications of the ACM (Association of Computing Machinery) would be a dry journal, and normally you'd be right, but I just ran across an article from a while back that I somehow missed, and it would be considered extreme in the strength of its expression and opinions in far less staid contexts than an engineering journal.
I've posted a copy of the PDF of the article at the website, RFID and the End of Cash, but here's a few juicy excerpts to whet your appetite:
New technology raises the spectre of the state gaining total control over money, achieving this nominal collectivist heaven by destroying the essence of cashthe cornerstone of individual freedom.
...
The state is a Faustian pact, where the individual submits to its legitimate violence in return for protection and security [12]. The government, from its side of this bargain, demands ownership of its citizens and the monopolistic right to tax them at whatever level whenever it wishes, calling it balancing the budget.
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The government’s long-term aim may be to turn society into a Panopticon, using it as an analogy for a prison in which an unseen guard observes all prisoners without them knowing they are being observed. By constructing a complete record of the personal debits and credits of all its citizens, thereby spinning a web connecting all buyers and sellers, the Internal Revenue Service and its equivalents outside the U.S. not only calculate every tax bill but are able to seize payment from those operating in both the official economy and the underground shadow economy.
In a democratic regime, this assault on individual freedom must appear benign so as to avoid popular discontent. Democracies are obliged to profess superior morality and/or utility in order to convince citizens of the rightness of their legitimate violence [12]. The enforcers of state powerthe police, national security services, and tax collectorsmay be given the right, nay the obligation, to invade the privacy of citizens with impunity.
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Legislators have learned the lesson of the 1931 conviction of Al Capone by the U.S. Department of the Treasury. If you can’t catch a criminal in the act, follow the money instead. Invert the burden of proof. The accused (in fact everyone) is guilty until proven innocent, where proof of innocence is nothing less than the unconditional surrender of all personal and financial information. No surprise that anti-money-laundering regulations, especially the know your customer rules, demand that every bank official act as a secret policeman for the government.
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An RF-emitting tag can be small enough to fit into bank notes so as to uniquely identify each one as it passes within range of a sensor. The authorities claim its purpose is to combat counterfeiting and identify money transfers between suspicious parties. RFID readers interrogate multiple tags simultaneously. Every time notes are passed to or from a bank, RFID readers identify and record them, linking this data with the person who presented or received them. The government has the potential to know not only exactly how much cash is being carried out/in the door but who is carrying it and who carried it previously. By comparing the respective identification numbers to entries in their database (for authentication purposes, of course), the authorities can draw a link between the last recorded holder of the note and the current one.
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No more anonymous cash. But worse, two other properties of cash - fungibility and stored value - are also under attack. Each bank note, whatever its denomination, should be as good as any other, but not if it's rejected, discounted, or terminated. By insisting that only bank notes with operational tags are legal tender, governments may cancel the cash of targeted individuals.
What a great method for instantly taxing citizens. Governments calculate the tax owed and take the correct sum straight out of each taxpayers pocket by canceling bank notes, then reprinting and reissuing new ones bearing different RFID tags. The possibilities are limitless. By giving each note an expiration date, governments may force bearers of cash to spend their money. The government can also hold out the threat of instant devaluation, with the value of a bank note being not the numbers printed on the note itself but the amount coded into the tag, drastically transforming the notion of stored value.
In all this alarmist rabble-rousing rhetoric one almost expects to see, "Citizens of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains," but despite the tone it still contains a very legitimate message about the threat to personal freedom.
Anyone who's a member of the ACM, you can find it here.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Provide link to article.
Edited by Percy, : Fix formatting.

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Perdition
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Message 2 of 12 (521455)
08-27-2009 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
08-27-2009 1:50 PM


I actually write a technology column for my local monthly newspaper, and I took a look at RFID a few months ago. The money angle never ocurred to me, but this sounds like extreme tinfoil hat territory.
I can see how a sensor would be able to tell how much money a person was holding, but how would it be bale to tell exactly who has the money and that it hasn't been passed to someone else? Unless the RFID tag somehow has a DNA detector and can transmit at long distances without a battery source, you're never going to get to the dystopia speculated at here.
A much more possible scenario would be the tagging of individual people (as has already begun at some high security jobs where access is jealously guarded) and the removal of physical money entirely. DO I see this as an inherently evil scheme by the government to control all money? No. Do I see risks as well as benefits to this? Yes.

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Percy
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Message 3 of 12 (521461)
08-27-2009 2:28 PM
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08-27-2009 2:16 PM


Perdition writes:
I can see how a sensor would be able to tell how much money a person was holding, but how would it be bale to tell exactly who has the money and that it hasn't been passed to someone else?
Because of RFIDs in your credit cards, driver's license, etc. An RFID reader that you passed on your way into and out of a room would be able to figure out how much money changed hands between you and someone else.
--Percy

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Perdition
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Message 4 of 12 (521467)
08-27-2009 2:49 PM
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Ok, so it's assuming an RFID reader in all locations. If you give a panhandler on the street 50 dollars, unless there's an RFID monitor in the area, it won't know. At best, it would later find out that you're 50 dollars short of what you had before.
It's also assuming you're always carrying credit cards and IDs and such. Again, unless you have an RFID chip implanted in you, you could easily get around this by going out to the middle of nowhere with just cash to exchange sums of money were you really worried about it.
Ultimately, if they want to paint doomscapes, this one is infeasible from, ironaically, a monetary standpoint. It would cost a lot to put RFID readers in enough places to cover an entire metropolitan area, let alone every little town and out of the way place in the world.
It is much more technologically feasible for the US to mandate chip implantation in all people (or just newborns and immigrants, etc) and do away with money all together by having financial information on the chip, requiring any money transfer to take place electronically, where it can be tracked and monitored.

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Percy
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Message 5 of 12 (521589)
08-28-2009 6:39 AM


Link to Article
Here's a link to the article: RFID and the End of Cash
--Percy

  
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Message 6 of 12 (521596)
08-28-2009 7:50 AM
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08-27-2009 1:50 PM


Well, some states/cities already allow you to attach your drivers license to your bank account, which is readable at certain gas pumps/credit card machines. People love it too because it's so "convenient". Not long before the national ID card does the same thing. Which, I'm sure, will have all of your vital information on it.
1 piece of freedom at a time. "It's ok, I wasn't using that freedom anyway, you can have it"

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 7 of 12 (522225)
09-01-2009 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
08-27-2009 1:50 PM


End Times?
In all this alarmist rabble-rousing rhetoric one almost expects to see, "Citizens of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains," but despite the tone it still contains a very legitimate message about the threat to personal freedom.
Gosh, far it be from me to be the prophetic watchman, but the bible goes in to depth about a cashless society being one of the "signs of the times" for a pre-apocalyptic future.
One of two things will happen as a result of this idea. Either the prophecy is true and we're one step away from accepting the mark of the beast, or it's just a coincidence but born-again Christians every where will incessantly insist that it is the End Times.
They'll argue that these things will come to pass because it does serve a utilitarian purpose and that people will be accepting of it on that basis but none-the-wiser of the implications. From a religious point of view, kind of makes me go "hmmmmm??? What if it is true?!?!", and from a secular point of view it sounds like a great idea.
Decisions, decisions...

"Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life." - Charles de Gaulle

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Message 8 of 12 (522228)
09-01-2009 10:26 PM
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09-01-2009 9:57 PM


Re: End Times?
One of two things will happen as a result of this idea. Either the prophecy is true...
This brings to mind a quotation:
It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.
L. Sprague de Camp
...and we're one step away from accepting the mark of the beast...
A myth.
...or it's just a coincidence but born-again Christians every where will incessantly insist that it is the End Times.
Again. After nearly 2,000 years you'd think they would be a little less quick on the "End Times" trigger.
End times is a myth also.
But all of that's off topic.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 9 of 12 (522230)
09-01-2009 11:08 PM
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09-01-2009 9:57 PM


Re: End Times?
ASV Rev13: writes:
15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;
17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, [even] the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.
Where does it sayy anything about a cashless society?
All it says is that "save he that hath the mark." It says nothing about cash at all.
Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given.

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Rrhain
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Message 10 of 12 (522237)
09-02-2009 1:13 AM
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09-01-2009 11:08 PM


bluescat48 writes:
quote:
All it says is that "save he that hath the mark."
Not only that, but the mark is supposed to be on the right hand. A simple examination will show that here in the US, such a mark had better be on the left hand. Think carefully about why that would be so. No, not because most people are right-handed but rather because in your daily life, what do you do with your money that pretty much forces you to use your left hand?
Hint: People in Japan would have it on the right.
That said, there will always be a need for plain paper money for the same reason that credit cards haven't yet managed to get rid of paper money: Not all transactions are done with the assistance of technology. The ability to give your kids an allowance, pay the paperboy, impulse purchase those Girl Scout cookies on the way out of the store, etc. are all done pretty much with hard cash and no technology.
And with a huge amount of cash money circulating outside the United States, there will always be a need for paper currency.
I predict it'll never happen.

Rrhain

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Wounded King
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Message 11 of 12 (522243)
09-02-2009 3:50 AM
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08-27-2009 1:50 PM


I think in some way while there certainly is a legitimate concern about the possible level of scrutiny it isn't a very real problem. This is due to the same reason why despite the fears of a big brother society in the UK and the massive proliferation of CCTV and cameras of all sorts they haven't dramatically increased the actual level of scrutiny of people in every day life.
The amount of data generated from all the cameras is not centralised and scrutinised. It simply isn't worth anyone's time to be watching the outputs from most of these things.
I can only imagine how much more overwhelming the volume of data from millions of banknotes would be, especially if you are trying to correlate them with other RFID tags.
Of course, in some ways this is simply a computational problem and increases in informational technology may may it a viable possibility.
The main thing in the article that strikes me as worrying were it to materialise is the idea of notes without RFID or with faulty RFID stopping being legal tender.
I have to agree with the general opinion that this is mostly tinfoil hattery. After all despite our beliefs in our much vaunted freedoms if the government really wanted to screw you over they could do it. I suspect this holds true in the US much as it does in the UK.
TTFN,
WK

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 12 of 12 (522276)
09-02-2009 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by bluescat48
09-01-2009 11:08 PM


Re: End Times?
Where does it say anything about a cashless society?
All it says is that "save he that hath the mark." It says nothing about cash at all.
I suppose you're right. All the verse really says is that unless you have the mark you can't buy or sell. Then I should clarify, that many Christians will jump to conclusions, not only about technology, but contorting the meaning of scripture and add embellishments to create a false parallel between vague verses of scripture with events happening in the present time.
Either way, one of my predictions has come true. Christians are already talking about the proposed technology as setting up the Beast.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : abe

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