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Izanagi Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 263 Joined: |
Recently, while watching an episode of "The Colbert Report," Stephen Colbert mentioned Conservapedia and said that they had Conservative Bible Project in which they would retranslate (read: reword) the Bible because, and I quote
quote: This website operates similarly to Wikipedia in that people can make entries and edit them. But many of the editorial policies differ from Wiki, most prominently, regardless of source citation, any entry that goes against the belief of the founder of Conservapedia will be deleted. Now many articles on science and religion in Conservapedia adopt the YEC point of view. The YEC viewpoint often relies on the Bible as source material. Now if Conservapedia is able to reword the Bible because of a "liberal" bias, and if YECs are willing to accept it, then how can they argue that the Bible is the word of God if man can change what God says? If this is allowed to happen and if conservatives and creationists alike condone this, doesn't this throw out the window their contention that the Word of God is unchanging? In essence, if this is allowed to continue and accepted, if man can change the Bible to fit more in line with his own ideas, then how can creationists continue to argue their primary reason for believing creationism, which is that the Bible is the Word of God and therefore infallible? My feeling is that they cannot and if they can no longer argue for the infallibility of the Bible, then people will see creationism for what it truly is, another ridiculous idea.
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Do you want this in the Accuracy and Inerrancy forum in the Science Forum or the Faith and Belief Forum.
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Izanagi Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 263 Joined: |
I would like it in The Accuracy and Inerrancy forum. What I am looking for are logical arguments for why people should or should not believe the Bible is inerrant and accurate in the face of this evidence that there are people who are changing the Bible to suit their ideology and beliefs.
However, if you feel the topic would be better served in The Faith and Belief forum, I'm fine with that too. Edited by Izanagi, : No reason given. Edited by Izanagi, : No reason given.
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Thread copied here from the Conservative Bible Project thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 985 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It sounds to me like the loons at CBP need to learn old Hebrew and Greek instead of messin' with translations at all.
This is so absurd that I have a hard time believing it's not satire.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1052 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
The worst part, IMO, is that it seemingly has political connotations. THIS, is what is wrong with the entirety of creationism/literal reading of the bible: the fact that it is undertaken by those who are in power and running the country. I don't think there would be much of a problem with their type if was just a small group of whack jobs as opposed to damn near an entire political party.
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Briterican Member (Idle past 4199 days) Posts: 340 Joined: |
That was my first thought too... we are talking about The Colbert Report afterall...
Project to eliminate liberal language from the Bible | The Star
The current translations of the Bible are laced with "liberal wordiness, compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities," the project says. To that Schlafly adds the unisex "emasculation of Christianity" that uses gender-neutral pronouns. Scary stuff.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 985 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Oh, crap! It's one of the Schlaflys! No, sadly, it isn't a Poe. It's genuine lunacy, instead.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3542 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Wow, they actually think the bible is too liberal?
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined:
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Wow, they actually think the bible is too liberal? It's amazing. I find the Bible to be very conservative and authoritarian...almost fascist. The only liberal parts are the parts supposedly quoted directly form Jesus. If they dislike his take on things, why are they Christian at all when they could just be Jewish and only worry about the OT?
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Granny Magda Member (Idle past 288 days) Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: |
Hi Perdition,
The only liberal parts are the parts supposedly quoted directly form Jesus. If they dislike his take on things, why are they Christian at all when they could just be Jewish and only worry about the OT? Now that is a damn good point. Schlafly would look good in a yarmulke. To be fair to the Conservapedia crowd though (can't believe I just typed that ) there does appear to some dissent over this idea on the talk page for the project (here). Not much, but a bit. This project is too crazy and arrogant even for some of the Conservapedians. Even I am offended by the effrontery of this and I regard the damn Bible as a piece of crap. Whatever you think of the Bible, it says what it says. Translation errors are one thing, but Schlafly has made clear that he is not doing any re-translation. He is just throwing out any bits he doesn't like. That's fine, but he also seems to want to claim both that his version will be more accurate and that he is still a biblical literalist. He wants to have his cake and eat it. He is clearly insane. They should be careful. God may get mad at them. They should be especially cautious of messing with Revelation;
quote: Fortunately for them, Revelation is not known for its liberal leanings. Mutate and Survive "A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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Izanagi Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 263 Joined: |
I was hoping to get some creationists to weigh in on this. It seems to me that any argument that the Bible is inerrant runs into the problem of human involvement in translating and interpreting the Bible. Fights have erupted between Christians simply because one group says their interpretation is the right one and all others are wrong.
And if a man in this day and age can change this:
quote:to this: quote:who's to say that some other man from the past didn't do a little editing of his own. And if man can edit the supposed Word of God, doesn't that throw the whole "Bible is the Truth" argument out the window leaving creationists without leg to stand on?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3708 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Unfortunately I don't have access to various Bible manuscripts, but here is an article that claims the Church Fathers had no problem changing the NT text before they were canonized. They also didn't have problem mistranslating the text after it was canonized.
Did the church fathers edit the New Testament? Of course we've heard of the last chapter in Mark that isn't in later manuscripts. The NIV study Bible notes do mention that difference. This article suggests that chapter 16 of Romans is an addition. My NIV Bible doesn't even have verse 24. It goes from 23 to 25. The average Christian isn't going to know of these changes over time or if their Bible has been mistranslated on purpose.
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anthonylau  Suspended Junior Member (Idle past 5338 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The fact that people who believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God are rewriting the Bible is a source of constant pleasure to me.
Yes, I have a twisted sense of humor.
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