|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Does evolution support intelligence driven design? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
As well as to humans, it is widely accepted that intelligence can be attributed to many other species.
If intelligent species use intelligence in the selection of sexual partners then intelligence is an evolutionary pressure along with other natural drivers. Is this a form of intelligent design consistent with the Theory of Evolution?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1724 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If intelligent species use intelligence in the selection of sexual partners then intelligence is an evolutionary pressure along with other natural drivers. If. That's a big if eh? Personally I think (human) selection is for creativity and increased brain capacity came along for the ride. We can test for this by looking at what types of humans are considered most desirable sexual objects: high IQ, university professors, nobel prize winners, nerds, etc, OR rock stars, dancers, movie stars, artists, cool, etc. Comments? Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
So creativity (which I think is a form of intelligence) is an evolutionary pressure. So we have creative design!
OK, perhaps not. Creativity is being selected but not necessarily employed in the selection process. But surely people do make intelligent decisions when choosing partners. It's not just instinct is it? Edited by sinequanon, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But surely people do make intelligent decisions when choosing partners. It's not just instinct is it? The sense in which they are designing their descendants when they do so seems rather tenuous. I might, I suppose, choose a red-haired wife in the hope (for whatever reason) of having red-haired children, but can it be said that in that case I designed my children? It seems an odd use of the word.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Is this a form of intelligent design No, it is not a form of intelligent design. (Nor, of course, is it a form of Intelligent Design.)
... consistent with the Theory of Evolution? Yes, it's consistent with the theory of evolution.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Is this a form of intelligent design consistent with the Theory of Evolution? I don't believe it is because you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about what Intelligent Design is. It isn't a question of why intelligent creatures are intelligent as much as it is a question of whether or not a sentience is behind it all. But then, it is entirely possible that I may be misinterpreting your OP. If so, please clarify your position for me. “First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
But then, it is entirely possible that I may be misinterpreting your OP. If so, please clarify your position for me. I deliberately used the phrase "intelligence driven design" rather than Intelligent Design, to avoid direct association. Is intelligence involved in the process of selecting a sexual partner? The idea is to consider whether intelligence involves "the mind" and to what extent the mind is considered a physical thing.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
But intelligence was involved in the survival of the "red hair genetics" (forgive my terminology)?
So your "mind", rather than just your instinct, intervened in the evolution process?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sidelined Member (Idle past 6227 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
sinequanon
The idea is to consider whether intelligence involves "the mind" and to what extent the mind is considered a physical thing. So what you are actually needing the answer to is "To what extent is the mind considered a physical thing?" since this is necessary in order to answer the larger question of "Does intelligence involve the mind?" correct?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But intelligence was involved in the survival of the "red hair genetics" (forgive my terminology)? If someone has a good reason for wanting his offspring to have red hair, then marrying a red-haired woman would be an intelligent step to take towards that goal.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The idea is to consider whether intelligence involves "the mind" and to what extent the mind is considered a physical thing. Then perhaps you should have said so in your OP.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
So what you are actually needing the answer to is "To what extent is the mind considered a physical thing?" Eventually.
since this is necessary in order to answer the larger question of "Does intelligence involve the mind?" correct? No. This can be answered whether or not the mind is considered a physical thing.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Just to clarify. The thread is asking if intelligence is involved in evolution through the process of selection.
The context of the thread can be discussed as an addendum or in a seperate thread, once the main point has been answered.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Just to clarify. The thread is asking if intelligence is involved in evolution through the process of selection. Again, that is not what you asked in your OP, but the answer to this question is "yes". It's called "artifical selection".
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
sinequanon Member (Idle past 3183 days) Posts: 331 Joined: |
Again, that is not what you asked in your OP... RAZD answered it so that's a matter of opinion. I have clarified.
It's called "artifical selection". Would you say it is confined to humans or could it apply to other species? Edited by sinequanon, : No reason given.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2025