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Message 1 of 126 (544677)
01-27-2010 8:35 PM


On another thread, hawkes nightmare wrote the following:

...if the continents moved at the current rate(about 1.5 cm a year) at the beginning of the world, america would have crashed into asia, britain would be where America is, Antatctica would be at the north pole, and Africa would be where antatctica is now. the distance between boston and London is over 3000 miles. the billions of years during the evolutionary period, would provide 28000 miles of drift. the world would look MUCH different than it already does.

now i know that pangaea broke up in the jurassic period, and i just did the math and it still comes out to less than half of where we are now. there is other evidence too though. the earth's rotation is slowing down. we are moving farther from the sun. the moon is moving farther from us due to lack in gravity. which all concludes that at the beginning of time, the earth rotated much, much faster, and that we were VERY close to the sun. those combined together make the earth uninhabitabe by ANYTHING up until 125 miles in space closer to the sun than our current position. now i'm too lazy to look anything more up so you'll have to do it yourself, and do the math. but i'm estimating that we were approximately where mercury currently is, and the days would be going as fast as you can snap your fingers. one hundred years from now, the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it is now. i just did the math(on a calculator) and the days at the beginning of earth's history would be 252.2222..... hours faster. that's about ten minutes. so evolution CAN't be true and the flood obviously happened.

Since discussion of these points would be off topic in the original thread, I propose a thread wherein a full-blown free for all and food fight can ensue, during which these points can be beaten to death once again.

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Message 2 of 126 (544679)
01-27-2010 8:44 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the PRATT Party and Free for All thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

    
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Message 3 of 126 (544684)
01-27-2010 8:59 PM
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01-27-2010 8:35 PM


those combined together make the earth uninhabitabe by ANYTHING up until 125 miles in space closer to the sun than our current position.

HN, I trust that you already know that our planet is nearly 5,000,000 kilometers closer to the Sun today, the 27th of January, than it will be on the Fourth of July?

Oh, you didn't know that? You could look it up...

Welcome to EvC, HN. Sorry, but you may have to support statements you make around here.


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Message 4 of 126 (544686)
01-27-2010 9:15 PM
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01-27-2010 8:35 PM


The flood (again)
...and the flood obviously happened

You concluded from that mish-mash of nonsense that the flood obviously happened?

Wow! The logical leaps there would do a gazelle proud!

Let's try just one bit of evidence against the claim of a worldwide flood.

Biblical scholars place the global flood somewhere close to 4,350 years ago (a few years one way or the other makes no difference here).

One of the first things I learned in archaeology class was "if you want to find 10,000 year old sites, look for 10,000 year old dirt."

So, all we have to do is find dirt that is about 4,350 years old and see what the evidence shows, simple, eh? Fortunately dirt that age is common, and probably exists in most back yards unless there has been a lot of grading during construction. Archaeologists deal with deposits of that approximate age on a daily basis, and have for over a hundred years.

And guess what? No evidence of a global flood has been found in those deposits.

What we see instead is continuity. Continuity of soil deposits and stratigraphy, continuity of human cultures, and continuity of fauna and flora. One of the most telling problems for flood proponents is the continuity of local human DNA types. If there was indeed a flood at the appointed time, those DNA types would have ceased, to be replaced by DNA from Noah and his kin. Instead, pretty much worldwide, we see continuity of DNA from before to after the appointed time for the flood.

So there is one bit of evidence that shows the global flood could not have happened at the time the biblical scholars claim it did.

If you want to dispute this you have to show that the flood happened at some other time (proving, for a start, that the biblical scholars are wrong)--but to do this you will also have to demonstrate, using empirical evidence, that various branches of science are wrong, starting with all sciences dealing with dating.

Feel up to it?


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Message 5 of 126 (544688)
01-27-2010 9:27 PM
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01-27-2010 8:35 PM


here a pratt, there a pratt
He's doing this stuff everywhere.

Message 79

the big bang started with all of the matter in the universe suddenly being sucked in to a space smaller than this period . , then blown apart again. What caused the vaccuum? what was the point? those are the questions that should be asked.

Something "happened" before time. And it happened "suddenly". Guess it would have had to, wouldn't it.

Message 388

have you ever been in the middle of the ocean? when you look to the horizon, it actually curves. i don't know how they could have missed that. also, if they would actually stop and think about it, if there was a central gravity point, wouldn't all of the mass around it get into the closest space to the source? that makes a ball. it is also scientifically innacurate according to my statement. if there was a flat earth, then there would have to be a center of gravity much like a flat plane. it would stand to reason that the plane would try to stretch into infinity. therefore the small amount of mass that would have been the earth would crumble and tear itself apart to get to the source of the flat gravity.

Gravity as a "force" in ancient times. Gravity, period, in ancient times. The idea of being attracted by a plane. The idea of being attracted. Gravity. In ancient times. Gravity as a "force". It would "stand to reason". In ancient times. Pretty sure this guy thinks gravity is a "force".


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Message 6 of 126 (544689)
01-27-2010 9:29 PM
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01-27-2010 8:35 PM


...
...so evolution CAN't be true and the flood obviously happened.

I'd like to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and say he's just any old creationist whack-job regurgitating AIG crap. But his post just seems to scream, "TROLL!!!" to me.

Am I giving him too much credit?

Maybe...


"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Message 7 of 126 (544690)
01-27-2010 9:32 PM
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01-27-2010 8:59 PM


Oh, and I looked it up: we're 11,000 miles further from the sun today than we were at this time yesterday. Does that mean we froze today, or did we die of heatstroke yesterday?


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Message 8 of 126 (544691)
01-27-2010 9:47 PM
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01-27-2010 8:59 PM


Coragyps writes:

Sorry, but you may have to support statements you make around here.

Due to a lack of gravity, Message 52 I don't think he will be able to support anything.

hawkes nightmare writes:

Message 52 but i'm estimating that we were approximately where mercury currently is, and the days would be going as fast as you can snap your fingers. one hundred years from now, the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it is now. i just did the math(on a calculator) and the days at the beginning of earth's history would be 252.2222..... hours faster. that's about ten minutes. so evolution CAN't be true and the flood obviously happened.

Well at least he did the math! So a day was 252.2222 hours faster than 24 hours....huh??? Talk about whip-lash!

This guy has got to be spoofing us. No one could really believe the gibberish he is spouting.


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You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley


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Message 9 of 126 (544694)
01-27-2010 10:05 PM
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01-27-2010 9:47 PM


Due to a lack of gravity, Message 52 I don't think he will be able to support anything.

Without gravity things don't need supporting.


You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.

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Message 10 of 126 (544699)
01-27-2010 10:27 PM
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01-27-2010 9:47 PM


hawkes nightmare
hawkes nightmare writes:

the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it is now. i just did the math(on a calculator) and the days at the beginning of earth's history would be 252.2222..... hours faster. that's about ten minutes. so evolution CAN't be true and the flood obviously happened

that means that 24hrs + 252.2222hrs =34hrs? Must be some kind of new math. Oh and what does this have to do with either evolution or a supposed global flood?¿ PRATTs for sale?


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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 11 of 126 (544701)
01-27-2010 10:32 PM
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01-27-2010 10:05 PM


lyx2no writes:

Without gravity things don't need supporting.

Slaps forehead...I knew I was missing something.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley


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Message 12 of 126 (544702)
01-27-2010 10:37 PM
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01-27-2010 10:27 PM


Re: hawkes nightmare
bluescat writes:

that means that 24hrs + 252.2222hrs =34hrs? Must be some kind of new math.

No, No, No.....that's 24hrs - 252.2222hrs = 10 minutes (he used a calculator)


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Message 13 of 126 (544711)
01-27-2010 10:59 PM
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01-27-2010 10:37 PM


Re: hawkes nightmare
No, No, No.....that's 24hrs - 252.2222hrs = 10 minutes (he used a calculator)

Still doesn't compute. I think his calculator needs new batteries.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 14 of 126 (544718)
01-27-2010 11:23 PM
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01-27-2010 10:59 PM


Re: hawkes nightmare
24hrs - 252.2222hrs

I'm pretty sure it's 24 hours divided by 252.2etc. And I'm pretty sure he has forgotten that an hour has 60 minutes rather than a hundred. And, I'm pretty sure he rounded up.


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Message 15 of 126 (544722)
01-28-2010 12:03 AM
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01-27-2010 9:29 PM


Re: ...
I have never sen either of his arguments on AIG.

It's looks more like Kent Hovind shizzles to me ...


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