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IchiBan
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Message 1 of 128 (549844)
03-11-2010 3:21 AM


Based upon the reply's I have received over on the free for all forum topic "Why I am creationist", I think this website should be re-badged to something that more aptly reflects what it is.

I'll suggest it be re-named to "Evolutionist echo chamber" with a sub title of "No Dissent allowed", and maybe with a very small c at the end


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Message 3 of 128 (549864)
03-11-2010 6:52 AM
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The Free For All forum is unmoderated, the only one at this board. Dissent is most certainly allowed at EvC Forum, and especially over at Free For All I can't see how anyone could stop you.


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Message 4 of 128 (549878)
03-11-2010 8:50 AM
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IchiBan , as you well know, there are no dissenting opinions welcome around here which is why this thread will never get promoted.
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Message 5 of 128 (549882)
03-11-2010 9:34 AM
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03-11-2010 3:21 AM


Based upon the reply's I have received over on the free for all forum topic "Why I am creationist", I think this website should be re-badged to something that more aptly reflects what it is.

How about "Evolution v. Sore Losers"?


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Message 6 of 128 (549884)
03-11-2010 9:51 AM
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ItchiBan writes:

I'll suggest it be re-named to "Evolutionist echo chamber" with a sub title of "No Dissent allowed", and maybe with a very small c at the end

Hi, ItchiBan. A hearty welcome to EvC from ole Buz who's about as fundi creationist as it gets. I'll bet a buck to a hole in a doughnut that I'm more fundi a creo than you. Let us see what you've got.

There was a time when I would have agreed with you and when, in fact, I said as much, having been banned without suspension twice during my sojourn here. That's all forgiven cause here I still are enjoying a reasonable amount of freedom to disseminate my minority POV within the perameters of the Forum Guidelines.

We could use more creationists thick skinned enough to mingle among motivated mainstream minded members.

The science forums are where you must tiptoe among the tulips so as to participate. Presentations of supernatural assumptions must be appropriately proposed in proper places.

Enjoy! Buzsaw

Edited by Buzsaw, : Careless spelling


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Message 7 of 128 (549886)
03-11-2010 10:02 AM


Oh, And By The Way
By the way, ItchiBan. I see you've already managed a 1 rating. You see, the rate voting in this board is democratic where sooner or later the minority POV ends up with low ratings. Pay no attention to that. The tendency of some is to vote ideology over performance.


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Message 8 of 128 (549892)
03-11-2010 10:59 AM
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03-11-2010 3:21 AM


No, it's not like that
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Based upon the reply's I have received over on the free for all forum topic "Why I am creationist", I think this website should be re-badged to something that more aptly reflects what it is.
I'll suggest it be re-named to "Evolutionist echo chamber" with a sub title of "No Dissent Allowed"
.

Well, most of the folks here are evolutionist for sure - but speaking personally, this would be a dull, dull forum if everyone was evolutionist. So, stay, and defend your point of view!


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Pauline
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Message 9 of 128 (549894)
03-11-2010 11:03 AM
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03-11-2010 10:02 AM


Re: Oh, And By The Way
By the way, ItchiBan. I see you've already managed a 1 rating. You see, the rate voting in this board is democratic where sooner or later the minority POV ends up with low ratings. Pay no attention to that.The tendency of some is to vote ideology over performance.

I agree with Buzsaw. The user rating system here shouldn't bother you at all. Sooner or later you'll come to realize that it offers great convenience to highly biased, inconsiderate, and partial posters who hate who you are more than they disagree or dislike what you write. Keep posting well formulated, insightful, and rich posts and you'll be able to withstand the voices calling out against you. Become your own defense. Enjoy your time here, this forum is VERY worth attending.

Welcome to EvC.

-Dr. Sing


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Message 10 of 128 (549900)
03-11-2010 11:32 AM
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03-11-2010 11:03 AM


Re: Oh, And By The Way
Hi Dr Sing,

Whilst I agree with you that the rating system should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt, I can't agree with this;

posters who hate who you are more than they disagree or dislike what you write.

Huh? But all we know of each other on this site is what we write. We know nothing else. That's it. What is it exactly that you think makes people hate you other than what you write? Your avatar pic?

Mutate and Survive


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Message 11 of 128 (549901)
03-11-2010 11:46 AM
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03-11-2010 11:32 AM


Re: Oh, And By The Way
Huh? But all we know of each other on this site is what we write. We know nothing else. That's it. What is it exactly that you think makes people hate you other than what you write? Your avatar pic?

It is clearly noticeable that often posts are demeaned and laughed at just because they come from a creationist. When I said "who you are", I meant your position, whether you are creationist or evolutionist.

Oh and if I had something Christian for my profile pic, I bet that would influence my post ratings.....even though, it really shouldn't.


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Message 12 of 128 (549905)
03-11-2010 11:59 AM
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Re: Oh, And By The Way
It is clearly noticeable that often posts are demeaned and laughed at just because they come from a creationist.

Nonsense. Creationists are rated low because most of the folks here think that they talk bollocks. If you disagree, perhaps you would care to provide an example of a creationist post that is rated low despite being eminently sensible?

When I said "who you are", I meant your position, whether you are creationist or evolutionist.

And yet you contrasted that with what people write. The only way we now what people's positions are is by what they write.

Oh and if I had something Christian for my profile pic, I bet that would influence my post ratings.....even though, it really shouldn't.

I think you are being paranoid. No-one hates you. Your rating went down because you moved from slating ID (something that most here agree with you about) to expounding upon Calvinist beliefs (something that most here disagree with). That's all. It's what you write, not who you are.

Mutate and Survive


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Message 13 of 128 (549917)
03-11-2010 12:49 PM
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03-11-2010 11:59 AM


Re: Oh, And By The Way
Nonsense. If you disagree, perhaps you would care to provide an example of a creationist post that is rated low despite being eminently sensible?

Ah yes, and as if there's a dearth of rated 1 posts that have nothing to do the creation/evolution debate but are so by virtue of their "pitiful" origin.

The only way we now what people's positions are is by what they write.

Right. But positions don't keep changing with every post. The preliminary conclusion that designates one as a creationist, is enough fuel to keep the 1s coming at him for a considerable period.

Your rating went down because you moved from slating ID (something that most here agree with you about) to expounding upon Calvinist beliefs (something that most here disagree with). That's all. It's what you write, not who you are.

Ask yourself if I would get the same rating if I was a theistic evolutionist. Most people would be like, so what if they're Calvinist? they're evolutionist.


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Message 14 of 128 (549920)
03-11-2010 1:00 PM
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Re: Oh, And By The Way
Ask yourself if I would get the same rating if I was a theistic evolutionist.

Sounds like a possible experiment. Perhaps you could talk to Percy about creating a second account and seeing if this holds true. If I may make a few suggestions, why don't you try to portray yourself as an atheist who thinks the moon landings were faked. I would bet that you would end up with the same rating as you do now.


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Granny Magda
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Message 15 of 128 (549921)
03-11-2010 1:02 PM
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Re: Oh, And By The Way
Okay,

Ah yes, and as if there's a dearth of rated 1 posts that have nothing to do the creation/evolution debate but are so by virtue of their "pitiful" origin.

So you are saying that there are many post, rated 1, simply because the author is a creationist and despite the fact that the content is sensible and well argued?

Example?

The preliminary conclusion that designates one as a creationist, is enough fuel to keep the 1s coming at him for a considerable period.

The simple fact that creationists spout ignorant codswallop before an audience that largely disagrees with them would seem to suffice.

Ask yourself if I would get the same rating if I was a theistic evolutionist.

Theistic evolutionists do rate higher here than creationists, this is true. However...

Most people would be like, so what if they're Calvinist? they're evolutionist.

Thus they are saying something that I agree with. If someone is backing an evolutionary argument, I will be more inclined to rate them highly. That's because what they say is closer to what I believe.

You perhaps underestimate the distaste that many atheists have for religion, whether it accepts evolution or not. I personally detest religion. That would not stop me from positively rating a post from a theistic evo. The fact that many theistic evo's on this board can boast high ratings, despite being surrounded by atheists, rather undermines your argument that we are partisan.

Mutate and Survive


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