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celestialGyoud
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Message 1 of 100 (552515)
03-29-2010 4:59 PM


Death by old age is a choice
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A theme for Intelligent design,

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Made by natural causes Vs Made by Intelligent designer

There is an experiment available to verify the validity of the first instruction of Genesis
and the verification is about an experience that produces a deceleration of the aging process
demonstrating that the first instruction of Genesis could only have been instructed by Intelligent designer.

In regards to the human body, there is no death by natural causes,

Once one sees that Genesis as originally written is about the human body having been made to remain free from death and absent of what has been called death of natural causes, by having the human body fed only with fruits from the compatible solid trees, on this, he or she has the option of doing this verification experiment.

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Message 2 of 100 (552623)
03-30-2010 9:28 AM
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03-29-2010 4:59 PM


Not sure I see a debate in this, but maybe it will become apparent if I can get a little additional information. What is the "first instruction of Genesis?" Why do you state that "there is no death by natural causes?" How do these two statements relate to one another?


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celestialGyoud
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Message 3 of 100 (552687)
03-30-2010 4:51 PM
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Death is a choice
How do these two statements relate to one another?

quote:
There is no death by natural causes,

In regards to death by old age, death is a choice,

because the first instruction clears up that the Human body was not made to die:

From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat *except one

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You become what you eat, -- Human body was made out of the dust of the ground:
that is, with the same nutrient properties that nurture all plants,

and if one continues to have the human body being fed the same nutrient properties that the body was made
then that is what one gradually tends to become: dust of the ground

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When the human body is fed only with the appropriate fruits from the solid trees,

then the calcium, proteins and hormones do not have to be constantly released from the brain in order for the production of the gastric juice that is necessary to digest a dead flesh or regular food.

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Translating the Paraphrased Text

From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat - The term solid tree is used in the translation to make distinction between actual trees --e.g. avocado tree-- and plants that are palm-trees or of soft trunk.

freely eat -- human body remains free from deseases and death by natural causes.

except one -- the fruit that gives a type of knowledge that is good and evil; the fruit of the olive tree; the only solid tree whose fruit was made specifically for regular food or every food that gives the desire to keep on knowing it.

- A knowledge of good and evil consequences;
A type of knowledge that the human body was not made to retain or resist:
the knowledge of the irresistible; that which produces the desire to know the food incessantly.

quote:

The possible solution that decelerates the aging process is not to waste more nutrients and hormones when you're older, by eating only the fruits from the actual trees


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Message 4 of 100 (552729)
03-30-2010 8:18 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Deceleration of the Aging Process -- There is no death by natural causes thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
  
Wounded King
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Message 5 of 100 (552801)
03-31-2010 6:55 AM


So, what you're saying is that contrary to popular belief the fruit with which Eve tempted Adam was an olive rather than an apple? And as long as we only eat fruit from 'solid' trees, excluding olives, we will never die of natural causes?

TTFN,

WK

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Message 6 of 100 (552827)
03-31-2010 10:29 AM
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Apple? Olive?
It was neither an apple nor an olive.

The "fruit" was an hallucinogenic mushroom, Amanita muscaria.

This important fact was lost through bad translations.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Huntard
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Message 7 of 100 (552828)
03-31-2010 10:35 AM
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Re: Death is a choice
So, what you are saying is that if we only eat certain fruits, we are effectively immortal? Can I have some of what you're smoking? I can make a lot of money with that in my country.
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celestialGyoud
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Message 8 of 100 (553809)
04-05-2010 8:05 AM
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03-31-2010 10:35 AM


Re: Death is a choice
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So, what you are saying is that if we only eat certain fruits, we are effectively immortal?

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As long as one only eat the compatible fruits a person will not die of old age or of natural causes --since 'old age' is not a scientifically recognized cause of death--.

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celestialGyoud
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Message 9 of 100 (553811)
04-05-2010 8:37 AM
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03-31-2010 6:55 AM


The author of the human body is not author of death
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And as long as we only eat fruit from 'solid' trees, excluding olives, we will never die of natural causes?

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That is what the first instruction of Genesis as originally written is saying.

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celestialGyoud
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Message 10 of 100 (553881)
04-05-2010 1:49 PM


There never was a forbidden tree nor a line that could ever be trespassed either
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quote:
Translating the Paraphrased Text

From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat - The term solid tree is used in the translation to make

distinction between actual trees --e.g. avocado tree-- and plants that are palm-trees or of soft trunk.

freely eat -- human body remains free from deseases and death by natural causes.

except one -- the fruit that gives a type of knowledge that is good and evil; the fruit of the olive tree;

the only solid tree whose fruit was made specifically for regular food or every food that gives the desire to keep on knowing it.

- A knowledge of good and evil consequences;
A type of knowledge that the human body was not made to retain or resist:
the knowledge of the irresistible; that which produces the desire to know the food incessantly.


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In regards to the tree whose fruit was made specifically for regular food, the tree was not forbidden.

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Huntard
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Message 11 of 100 (553884)
04-05-2010 2:04 PM
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04-05-2010 8:05 AM


Re: Death is a choice
Look, I'll make this real easy on you. You're saying that you won't die of natural causes when you only eat certain fruits yes? IS there any other way to besides natural causes and artificial causes then? Because if there isn't, we're effectively immortal if we eat only those certain fruits. In other words, the only way to die then would be by either an accident, or being killed by something else, but not from let's say, a heart attack, or a liver failure, or something like that.

Also, got any evidence?


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Message 12 of 100 (553885)
04-05-2010 2:20 PM
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03-31-2010 10:29 AM


Re: Apple? Olive?
Coyote writes:

The "fruit" was an hallucinogenic mushroom, Amanita muscaria.

You think? I favor the theory that the true Soma comes from psylocibin rather than muscimol. However, my belief arises at least as much from personal experience as it does from what I've read. Does the archaeological and ethnographic evidence really lean that much toward Amanita muscaria?

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celestialGyoud
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Message 13 of 100 (553896)
04-05-2010 3:45 PM
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04-05-2010 2:04 PM


Why many will not be willing to make the experiment
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Huntard writes:

...saying that you won't die of natural causes when you only eat certain fruits yes?

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That is what the first instruction of Genesis as originally written is saying

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Message 14 of 100 (553924)
04-05-2010 7:21 PM
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03-30-2010 4:51 PM


This theory has bugs.
except one -- the fruit that gives a type of knowledge that is good and evil; the fruit of the olive tree; the only solid tree whose fruit was made specifically for regular food or every food that gives the desire to keep on knowing it.

CD7, your theory is actually very easily put to the test. The olive fruit fly, Dacus oleae, eats only olive fruit. So we only need check to see if it is immortal. The proposal has been submitted. Am just waiting to hear back from the grant committee. (They may be a little concerned by my suggestion that this will have to be a very long term study.)


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Message 15 of 100 (554045)
04-06-2010 7:42 AM
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Re: This theory has bugs.
Actually, he's saying olives are the only thing you shouldn't eat.
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