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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 123 (561391)
05-20-2010 10:14 AM


I am often asked questions in the threads regarding implications of a flood the magnitude of the Genesis Noaic flood. Usually these questions pertain to some aspect of the topic. This thread is proposed in order that different implications of such a deludge may be debated and discussed.
Perhaps this will enable members to better understand what the Genesis record actually says and implies relative to that alleged event. Hopefully corroborating all of the implications will also help members to understand why such an event would skew data applied in current dating methodology.
  1. It would not produce a climate as warm as pre-flood.
  2. It would not produce the same atmosphere, given the volumn of water to accomodate a flood of this magnitude.
  3. It would not produce the same elements in the atmosphere of a pre-flood planet which is implicatied due to the volumn of H2O in play
  4. It would not produce the same sun rays on the planet as post flood.
  5. It would not produce relative uniformity in calculating dating methodology nor would it produce acurate dating data of present dating methodology used.
  6. It would not produce similar weather as pre-flood.
  7. It would not produce a rainbow-less atmosphere.
  8. It would not produce as long a life as that of a warmer uniform atmosphere which filtered out less healthy sun rays.
  9. It would not produce as level a planet surface as pre-flood.
  10. It would not produce small shallower oceans as would be pre-flood.
  11. It would not produce warm polar regions void of ice.
  12. It would not produce large continents compared to pre-flood.
  13. It would not produce nearly (by far) as little carbon on the planet and it's atmosphere, due to volcanic eruptions, etc.
  14. It would not produce the same sub-terrain as pre-flood.
The above list is what comes to mind off the top of my head. There are others which may be proposed.
I'll leave the forum for this topic up to the moderators.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Correct spelling an apply list format.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Upgrading OP
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 2 of 123 (561394)
05-20-2010 10:16 AM


My apologies to admins. I intended this for Proposed New Topics.

  
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Message 3 of 123 (561471)
05-20-2010 6:00 PM


Thread Moved from Suggestions and Questions Forum
Thread moved here from the Suggestions and Questions forum.

  
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Message 4 of 123 (561473)
05-20-2010 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
05-20-2010 10:14 AM


Hi Buzsaw,
Just three suggestions:
  • There are probably more spelling errors than you'd wish there to be.
  • The [list] dBCode would produce a nicer format.
  • Supporting evidence for each point would be very helpful.

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Buzsaw
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Message 5 of 123 (561626)
05-21-2010 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Admin
05-20-2010 6:08 PM


Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Admin writes:
Supporting evidence for each point would be very helpful.
This topic is not intended to be about evidence of the Noahic flood, but about implications of what a flood of this magnitude would not produce if (I say if) such a flood had occurred.
Whether the flood account is myth or factual, there would be certain implications relative to planet Earth before and after such an event. That is what this thread is intended to be about.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 6 of 123 (561629)
05-22-2010 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Buzsaw
05-21-2010 11:35 PM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Hi Buz,
In your list you should replace your numbers with [*]. For instance, "1)" would become "[*]", "2) would become "[*]", all the numbers would become "[*]".
Buzsaw writes:
This topic is not intended to be about evidence of the Noahic flood, but about implications of what a flood of this magnitude would not produce if (I say if) such a flood had occurred.
You say your thread is intended to be about the "implications of what a flood of this magnitude would not produce," but implications from what evidence? For example, what evidence leads you to believe a global flood would affect radiometric dating?

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Buzsaw
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Message 7 of 123 (561646)
05-22-2010 8:19 AM
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05-22-2010 1:37 AM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Admin writes:
You say your thread is intended to be about the "implications of what a flood of this magnitude would not produce," but implications from what evidence? For example, what evidence leads you to believe a global flood would affect radiometric dating?
I prefer numbers. A responder may, as in the past say, "your number 5 says......... Numbers also quickly shows the number of total points cited. If later, an additional item comes to mind to list, a new number distinguishes that from the original list.
Readers and members of this site are intelligent enough to understand implications of a large body of water of this magnitude suddenly flooding the entire planet, volcanic effect of carbon content, etc, implications that would be assumed, whether myth or fact.
If this thread must get bogged down with debating evidence, I'm not interested in doing it. Perhaps Freeforall would be the place for it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 8 of 123 (561650)
05-22-2010 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
05-22-2010 8:19 AM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Buzsaw writes:
I prefer numbers. A responder may, as in the past say, "your number 5 says......... Numbers also quickly shows the number of total points cited. If later, an additional item comes to mind to list, a new number distinguishes that from the original list.
We all prefer numbers, Buz. Make the edits I told you to, then click "Preview," and prepare to be amazed!
If this thread must get bogged down with debating evidence, I'm not interested in doing it.
Okay.
Perhaps Freeforall would be the place for it.
Okay, but you do understand that the Forum Guidelines are not enforced in Free For All? That those who perceive your ideas as determined idiocy and buffoonery can let you have it relentlessly with both barrels? I'll put this in Free For All if you like, but don't come complaining to moderators later.

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Buzsaw
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Message 9 of 123 (561695)
05-22-2010 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Admin
05-22-2010 8:44 AM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Percy writes:
We all prefer numbers, Buz. Make the edits I told you to, then click "Preview," and prepare to be amazed!
Mmm, no numbers? Is there a thread in the archives covering this techy stuff which would be beneficial to members, or perhaps, a link for reference?
Admin writes:
Okay, but you do understand that the Forum Guidelines are not enforced in Free For All? That those who perceive your ideas as determined idiocy and buffoonery can let you have it relentlessly with both barrels? I'll put this in Free For All if you like, but don't come complaining to moderators later.
Hey, ne'er worry, Admin. Like my feisty Shiz-Zu Buddy dog, I'll just lift a leg, pee a one-er on their post and move on.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 10 of 123 (561698)
05-22-2010 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
05-22-2010 4:02 PM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Buzsaw writes:
Mmm, no numbers? Is there a thread in the archives covering this techy stuff which would be beneficial to members, or perhaps, a link for reference?
Nice job, but I forgot one thing.
You need to change "[list]" to "[list=1]". The "=1" portion tells it to start the list at 1. Now click "Preview" and be amazed!
If you want to read about it there's a help page about dBCodes. Assuming you're typing a message into a message box right now, look to your left. Click on the "help" link for dBCodes.
I'll promote your thread to Free For All as soon as you finish your edit.

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 123 (561700)
05-22-2010 4:33 PM
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05-22-2010 4:18 PM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Woo Hoo! Thanks, Admin!

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Message 12 of 123 (561702)
05-22-2010 4:46 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the What The Genesis Noaic Flood Would Not Produce. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 13 of 123 (561704)
05-22-2010 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Buzsaw
05-21-2010 11:35 PM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
Admin writes:
Supporting evidence for each point would be very helpful.
Buz writes:
This topic is not intended to be about evidence of the Noahic flood, but about implications of what a flood of this magnitude would not produce if (I say if) such a flood had occurred.
Wonderful. Another thread about Buz's fantasies with no supporting evidence.
*yawn*

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 14 of 123 (561708)
05-22-2010 5:18 PM
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05-21-2010 11:35 PM


Re: Implications Of A Global Flood Event
This topic is not intended to be about evidence
NOTHING you ever intend to discuss is ever about evidence. Your "Buzsaw Hypothesis" should actually be called, "An Idiot's Guild to the Universe."
Man do I enjoy the Free For All forum.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Message 15 of 123 (561710)
05-22-2010 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by onifre
05-22-2010 5:18 PM


Let's play a game
Man do I enjoy the Free For All forum.
Hey, let's see if we can have some fun in this thread. I bet I will have more posts that Buz ignores than you will. If you're willing to play, we'll probably need some kind of guidelines about the contents of qualifying posts, that sort of thing.
What do you say?
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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