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emr
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08-04-2010 11:15 AM


Hello, new member here. Not here to insult anyone, just interested in how people think on these topics. My question is fairly straightforward...
What do intelligent design advocates make of dinosaurs? Is it their view that each group of dinosaurs (define 'group' whichever way you wish) was created individually, with no ancestors? Or that an intelligent agent played some part in their development?
If so, then what do id advocates believe dinosaurs were 'for'? Surely an intelligent agent smart enough to create individual dinosaurs would be able to foresee their eventual demise?
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08-05-2010 3:46 AM
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08-04-2010 11:15 AM


So far, I see this as problimatic for promotion
So I'm going to put some pre-promotion comments/questions in first. Otherwise I anticipate great masses of snark happening.
What do intelligent design advocates make of dinosaurs?
Unfortunately, every stripe of creationist from young Earth creationist (YEC) to old Earth theistic evolutionist likes to grab onto "intelligent design" as part of their position. As I understand it (and I may be wrong), the hard core "intelligent design" proponents of the Discovery Institute (CSC division) are theistic evolutionists. But they are reluctant to make their position clear least they alienate such as the YEC crowd.
Is it their view that each group of dinosaurs (define 'group' whichever way you wish) was created individually, with no ancestors?
The YEC end of ID would seem to.
Or that an intelligent agent played some part in their development?
That would be the essential item for any variety of IDer.
If so, then what do id advocates believe dinosaurs were 'for'?
Why would dinosaurs need to have a specific purpose? Maybe they were just some experiment of the designer.
Surely an intelligent agent smart enough to create individual dinosaurs would be able to foresee their eventual demise?
Maybe they were a failed experiment in the pursuit of some goal.
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emr
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08-05-2010 7:50 AM
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08-05-2010 3:46 AM


Criticism of 'failed experiment' hypothesis...
Dinosaurs were a failed experiment? This would imply serious lack of foresight on the part of the designer - which would also conflict with the idea of the designer being omniscient.
I'm also not sure in what sense dinosaurs could 'go wrong'. If a designer created them to hunt, feed, rear their offspring etc, and they do just that, then in what sense could they be deficient? Did their populations get out of control? An omniscient designer would surely foresee that, and also know from the outset they would ultimately be destroyed. Do we conclude that the designer is not omniscient?
So there is no dominant view amongst ID folk when it comes to the chronology of living things? What about the people on this forum? Do you accept established chronologies (for example fish>amphibians>reptiles>etc), only stating that a designer stepped in to help the process along, or do you invoke special acts of creation? In either case, it still leaves the same question hanging: why would a designer create dinosaurs? What were they 'for'?
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