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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
I thought I would try my hand at finally starting a thread. I think in the coffee house one can just post one, or that is at least what it seems like. With this place being so lib I doubt this would be a popular thread, but heck I’m sure my rating here would be less than a 1 if possible.
I have been looking for a M1 Garand for a long time.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand Then I come across this article which makes me feel bad about my former Senator like I used when I lived in PR Illinois, it made me think of him as sinister and a sneaky like the last dem pres. Just as I was beginging to think of him in a better light (the DMV metro is rather lib, and it was growing on me), until I get a wake up call. Here is my take (the full article is linked below, and I tried to find it from other sources, but I could not in my quick search. quote: I may as well jump in as well. I wonder why they changed their minds, I wonder what their logic is? It is really sad that this Administration is becoming what I thought it was going to be back in 08’.
quote: Could fall into the wrong handswow! Sounds like the State Department fell into the wrong hands to me. How would this exploitation be carried out, and why? The M1 Garand is an 8 round capacity 30-06 rifle with iron sights, and a retail cost of somewhere between $1500-$2500 depending on age and condition. It fires a 104 year old cartridge that costs about $1 per round.Compare that to an eastern European AK-47 that sells for about $400-$600, comes with a standard 30 round magazine, and the ammo is about $0.30 per round, I got a 75 round drum magazine for another $100. One could outfit two AK-47s both with full 75 round capacity magazines (about $1400) for less than the price of 1 M1 Garand, and its completely legal to do so. Not to mention that you have to pass a Federal Background check to purchase the M1 Garand. If you had some illicit purpose on your mind, why would you purchase a high sought after rifle that has been out of date in the USA for 53 years; that is expensive to get, and shoot? [rhetorical] because you wouldn’t, its just complete leftist bullshit as usual when they are talking about a topic they obvious know little if anything about.
quote:Brady Campaign [LOL]. Why on earth would anyone ask those bozos for their lies? Shame on you Fox for even asking them, unless of course it was your goal to make them out for the liars they are. 1. what is a high capacity magazine?The M1 Garand has an 8 round internal magazine, that is fed by a clip. Is 8 rounds high capacity? 2. The firepower is based on the ammo, and this rifle is not more powerful, and is in-fact less powerful than many legal calibers in the USA already. 3. It’s already legal to purchase both of these weapons. Do we ban fast cars and motorcycles because they could be a danger? Wow I’m almost at a loss for words with people who think like this guy.
quote: But why include the almost 90k M1 Garands? It makes no sense. The Standard M1 Carbine detachable magazine holds 15 rounds (I think). My handgun holds more than that. Is 15 high capacity?
quote: Of course it is.
quote: Mr. Obama, I thought you were smart enough not to follow in the footsteps of Mr. Clinton on this issue.
quote: Every firearm is a safety concern for the geniuses from Brady. The simple fact of the cost and cost of ammo as well as the background checks makes banning M1s a silly thing to defend. Being a military gun is a bad argument, and using ambiguous words like high-capacity just further shows the poor ability of the Brady campaign to articulate very well in this debate, which is sad because that is the whole reason they exist.
Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles | Fox News I didn't see any other major new outlet reporting on this. Which sucks, I like to read it from both angles, I guess the liberal media is trying to keep this as quiet as the admin, especially since they learned their lesson in 1994. I think this is really sad.1. they are American Made firearms 2. I knew Obama was going to be like this 3. it just doesn't make any sense to ban the import of a semi-automatic that has been outdated for 53 years; and last seen real military use 57 years ago. what is a "high capacity magazine"? I don't even think M1 Garands take a magazine, and why would anyone want to alter such a beautiful and historic piece of Americana in order to get a few more shots!?! (though I do understand why the move to .308 win might be a good modification) I know the M1 Carbines take a magazine, but I think it is only a 15 round magazine maybe 30 rounds at most. I do not think I will ever understand the liberal mind, the lack of logic is amazing to me at times like this. What do y'all think? Bigot: A conservative beating a liberal in an argument. I never learned from a man who agreed with me. --Robert A. Heinlein
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think it is irrelevant.
The M-1 was an adequate rifle built to minimal standards, is a known thump biter, and honestly, one I'm glad I owned and glad it is gone. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Could fall into the wrong handswow! Sounds like the State Department fell into the wrong hands to me. How would this exploitation be carried out, and why? Like you say, you can already by equivalent rifles, not to mention semi-automatic versions of the full auto assault rifles. What they seem worried about is the number of rifles hitting the market all at once. This makes it easier for rifles to slip through the cracks and end up in the hands of such organizations as Mexican drug cartels and local gang leaders.
I think this is really sad. 1. they are American Made firearms 2. I knew Obama was going to be like this 3. it just doesn't make any sense to ban the import of a semi-automatic that has been outdated for 53 years; and last seen real military use 57 years ago. 1. They are being sold by non-Americans.2. Before the election the same people were claiming that government agents would show up at their houses and forcefully take their guns away. I personally know people who buried their guns in their backyards in containers full of motor oil because they were sure Obama would try and take them away. That hasn't happened, so I don't want to hear "I knew it". 3. So you are crying like a baby because you can't buy an outdated rifle? What won't you complain about?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I'm really not seeing the hot-button issue, here. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to err on the side of caution and disallow the importation of 200,000 military rifles.
A friend of mine, though, has a gun sales license and I know he has an M1. I'll ask him what he thinks about this (and if he's interested in the notion of selling it to someone on the internet.) He lives in CA.
I do not think I will ever understand the liberal mind, the lack of logic is amazing to me at times like this. Well, largely it's this - "importation of 200,000 rifles? No thank you, unless you have a really excellent reason. We're making enough guns domestically, thanks." I dunno, sucks for you - though, come on, it's not like you can't get an M1 in the states - but the Second Amendment gives you the right to bear arms, not to buy them from South Korea.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Just curious.
Could you possibly rewrite that without all the name calling? The venomous invective quite gets in the way of any point you're trying to make. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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How many of these M1's were you going to buy from the south koreans? Of all the bullshit issues that people like you come up while looking for a reason to hate President Obama, this has got to be a new low.
What's next? You don't want us to have sex on christmas because it's jesus's birthday?
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
taq writes: What they seem worried about is the number of rifles hitting the market all at once. This makes it easier for rifles to slip through the cracks and end up in the hands of such organizations as Mexican drug cartels and local gang leaders.
this seems rather non sequitur to me. especially since they have controls in place for purchasing, nothing is getting through those cracks, its just not going to be availiable. This has absolutely nothing to do with Mexico, and I am quite sure they would prefer fully auto weapons they they already get from other latin sources further south. I mean could you get anymore off topic than making a policy that affect law-abiding americans, related to mexican drug cartels...jeez!
1. They are being sold by non-Americans. 2. Before the election the same people were claiming that government agents would show up at their houses and forcefully take their guns away. I personally know people who buried their guns in their backyards in containers full of motor oil because they were sure Obama would try and take them away. That hasn't happened, so I don't want to hear "I knew it". 3. So you are crying like a baby because you can't buy an outdated rifle? What won't you complain about? 1. non american allies, who share a border with one of america's least favorite dictator lead nations.2.I am from the People's Republic of Illinois, Obama was my Senator for 3 years (and before that a state senator for 7 years). I DID KNOW IT was comming. Sorry I don't fit into your stereotype of firearm owners. 3. no not crying at all crashfrog writes:
I'm really not seeing the hot-button issue, here. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to err on the side of caution and disallow the importation of 200,000 military rifles. Well they renigged, and are doing something that is a real issue for a number of americans in both parties. err on the side of caution for semi-automatic rifles, and carbines that are already legal and have been since the 1940s? really?
A friend of mine, though, has a gun sales license and I know he has an M1. I'll ask him what he thinks about this (and if he's interested in the notion of selling it to someone on the internet.) He lives in CA.
That should tell you something about how invasive these firearms are not. They are completely legal in California. Two other things:one I cannot purchase it, because M1 Garands are out of my price range (I was really hoping that if the market was flooded with another 100,000 of them from Korea the price may go down a little bit, as it usually does with surplus military rifles), thanks though. two its no big deal to sell a firearm to someone on the internet, because we would have to go through a FFL transfer anyway, and i would have to have the same background check as if I bought it through the state department from the Koreans. FFL - No webpage found at provided URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License
Well, largely it's this - "importation of 200,000 rifles? No thank you, unless you have a really excellent reason. We're making enough guns domestically, thanks." do you feel the same about korean cars? or Japanese or German cars? my reason is that the more surplus rifles there are on the market the lower the cost is. like in the example of the Mosin Nagant 91/30 or the SKS, rather than make the rifle that my grandfather (US ARMY 1942-1944) used as common as luger.
taz writes: How many of these M1's were you going to buy from the south koreans? Of all the bullshit issues that people like you come up while looking for a reason to hate President Obama, this has got to be a new low. probably one of each. I am from Illinois you genius, I know all about Obama and have had to read about him and his greatness for years now. Remeber all those Texans in 1999 who said Bush sucked, I'm one of the Illinoisians who has been saying the same thing about Obama sor the past 6 years. 2A is not a bullshit reason for anything. the only reason my title is what it was is because all the other ones got cut off due to too many characters. its so funny to read the nonsense by people who know all about me and people like me (even though bluedogs are not a huge faction). "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have." Barry Au-H2O I never learned from a man who agreed with me. --Robert A. Heinlein
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does this have to do with some imagined gun control?
Edited by jar, : top--->to Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
it is gun control, a very strange gun control, but still gun control, how can you not understand it?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is it gun control? M1s are still legal and pretty readily available.
I'm sorry but this really doesn't change anything. CMP is still selling Garands for as little as $495.00. Sorry but this is simply no big deal, a real yawn. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Artemis Entreri writes:
crash writes: I'm really not seeing the hot-button issue, here. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to err on the side of caution and disallow the importation of 200,000 military rifles. Well they renigged, and are doing something that is a real issue for a number of americans in both parties. That's "reneged" even when speaking of the president. Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?! -Gogol Bordello
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well they renigged, and are doing something that is a real issue for a number of americans in both parties. err on the side of caution for semi-automatic rifles, and carbines that are already legal and have been since the 1940s? really? For 200,000 of them? Yeah, seems prudent to me.
one I cannot purchase it, because M1 Garands are out of my price range (I was really hoping that if the market was flooded with another 100,000 of them from Korea the price may go down a little bit, as it usually does with surplus military rifles), thanks though. Right, no, I knew that. You're just pissed that South Korea wasn't allowed to crash the resale market, but you're playing it as a huge Constitutional issue.
do you feel the same about korean cars? I dunno, do they shoot bullets?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I didn't see any other major new outlet reporting on this. Perhaps because faux news knows their target audience and this is a non-issue to everyone else? Your god believes in Unicorns
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
it is gun control, a very strange gun control, but still gun control, how can you not understand it? But guns should be controlled.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4257 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Jar writes: How is it gun control? M1s are still legal and pretty readily available.I'm sorry but this really doesn't change anything. CMP is still selling Garands for as little as $495.00. Sorry but this is simply no big deal, a real yawn.
its gun control because they are preventing law abiding citizens from acquiring gun that are already legal under a pretense that its "dangerous". Thanks for bringing up the CMP.who do you think sells the imported military rifles that the US imports and would be selling the very firearms I am talking about? (hint the answer is a three letter acronym mentioned in the previous sentence) yeah i wasn't really looking for a field grade, but thanks for the heads up.
omnivourous writes: That's "reneged" even when speaking of the president. lol, that was pretty good.
crashfrog writes: You're just pissed that South Korea wasn't allowed to crash the resale market, but you're playing it as a huge Constitutional issue.
yep, and its still a constitutional issue too.
hooah212002 writes: Perhaps because faux news knows their target audience and this is a non-issue to everyone else?
Nah, I think the liberal media is trying to push this under the rug quietly like the liberal admin tried to do. It most likely does not fit the "agenda" of the other news outlets.
crashfrog writes:
But guns should be controlled.
to me "shall not be infringed" must mean something different than what it means to you.
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