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Tram law Member (Idle past 4725 days) Posts: 283 From: Weed, California, USA Joined: |
I'd like to see a thread for giving real world examples of how the scientific process works and showing the basics of how science works for those who still don't fully understand how it really works. For example, how a hypothesis is formed, how it is tested, how it is falsified, how it becomes part of a theory, and how it becomes a theory, what a theory is, and how theories becomes scientific laws.
Thank you.
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Thread copied here from the Examples Of how Science Works thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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barbara Member (Idle past 4822 days) Posts: 167 Joined: |
I would like it fully explained the exact detailed process in determining bacterial resistant to antibiotics. The explanations so far on other threads are open to interpretation because the conclusions are not shared by many viewers.
Sorry, off-topic. This needs to be worked out at "other threads" that are intended for the theme. Besides, if it doesn't work at the "other threads", it's not going to work any better in this thread. - Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic notice.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Words have precise meanings in science. For example, 'theory', 'law', and 'hypothesis' don't all mean the same thing. Outside of science, you might say something is 'just a theory', meaning it's supposition that may or may not be true. In science, a theory is an explanation that generally is accepted to be true. Here's a closer look at these important, commonly misused terms.
Hypothesis A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true. Example: If you see no difference in the cleaning ability of various laundry detergents, you might hypothesize that cleaning effectiveness is not affected by which detergent you use. You can see this hypothesis can be disproven if a stain is removed by one detergent and not another. On the other hand, you cannot prove the hypothesis. Even if you never see a difference in the cleanliness of your clothes after trying a thousand detergents, there might be one you haven't tried that could be different. Theory A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis. Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes. Law A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'. Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened. As you can see, there is no 'proof' or absolute 'truth' in science. The closest we get are facts, which are indisputable observations. Note, however, if you define proof as arriving at a logical conclusion, based on the evidence, then there is 'proof' in science. I work under the definition that to prove something implies it can never be wrong, which is different. If you're asked to define hypothesis, theory, and law, keep in mind the definitions of proof and of these words can vary slightly depending on the scientific discipline. What is important is to realize they don't all mean the same thing and cannot be used interchangeably.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. Shouldn't that be the other way around?
Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened. Predict=Describe? Other than that, pretty nice message. My comment: In more casual conversion (even concerning scientific matters) scientists do use "theory" in a less that true science manner. But that's hopefully in a context where the listener/reader knows it's a casual comment. Moose Added by edit: Percy posted the following at another topic, after I originally posted this message:
Percy writes:
Source Many particles decay spontaneously, and under some theories outside the standard model even the proton can decay. Is the above an example of casual use? Would those "theories" actually be hypotheses, while the "standard model" is the theory? Still Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : "Moosed" the message, then added more content, them "Moosed" it again. Had to edit to partly demoosify. Edited by Minnemooseus, : Added by edit, also tweaked subtitle. Remoosed at end.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Minnemooseus, in message 5, writes: Other than that, pretty nice message. I now realize why your message was so nicely done - You copy/pasted it from somewhere. Googling "Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them." gets you fficial&client=firefox-a]-->here. Apparently A LOT of people have directly or indirectly copied the material from somewhere. Copying materal from another source very much calls for a link to the source to be supplied. Adminnemooseus ps: I still have the quesion of message 5. If there was indeed an error there, it seems a lot of web sites have copied the error.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Percy writes: Many particles decay spontaneously, and under some theories outside the standard model even the proton can decay. Moose writes: Is the above an example of casual use? Would those "theories" actually be hypotheses, while the "standard model" is the theory? In regard to proton decay, I think this would be an actual theory based on the following IE: Carbon 11 decays by both electron capture & positon emission(b+). There are no b+ in a carbon 11 neucleus. In both cases Boron 11 is formed C11 6 Protons + 5 NeutronsB11 5 Protons + 6 Neutrons Where does the positron & extra neutron come from and what happens to the missing proton? It is known that the positron is emitted by the annihilation radiation of 5.1E-1Mev given off as a g ray photon. Thus the only way that there can be a positron emitted and the loss of one proton & gain of one neutron if one proton becomes a neutron by positron emission thus proton decay.Which is the accepted method. Handbook of Chemistry & Physics, 2006 pp11-50 & 11-52 There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
OK, you covered the "added by edit" part.
Now how about the original part? Moose
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
In regard to proton decay, I think this would be an actual theory based on the following No - what you have there is just what we call an isospin rotation. The neutron and the proton are essentially different views of the same particle. One of the protons in the Carbon 11 nucleus "rotates" into a neutron, emitting a W+ boson which rapidly causes a charged pair-creation of two leptons (positron and electron neutrino) (at the quark level, one of the up quarks in the proton "rotates" into a down quark, and it is this quark that emits the W+) Proton decay is something different. Here we are talking about the proton/neutron nucleon decaying into something that isn't a baryon. Baryon non-conservation is something we don't see in the Standard Model, but it does occur in hypothetical extended theories. Here, for example, two quarks can interact to give one quark and one lepton. Thus a three quark uud proton can decay to a positron and a mixture of two quarks (a neutral pion), that then itself decays to two photons. So proton becomes positron plus two photons. This process is being looked for but has so far not been sufficiently substantiated. The current lower limit for a half-life (according to a quick look on Wiki) is 6.61033 yr, which is a bloody long time in anyone's book!
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
What about the original? I simply agree with it.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let me repost something that may help you understand how science works from this old thread. This example involves the Periodic Table.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
That's a great point, Jar. Well said.
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