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Taz
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Message 1 of 247 (618326)
06-02-2011 6:36 PM


http://articles.nydailynews.com/...s-activists-homosexuality
The "don't say gay" bill is perhaps one of the most evil things that came out from the christian right since those sodomy laws. Here are some things that will result from this bill if it gets passed next year.
(1) Teachers will be forbidden to counsel suicidal gay kids because they are forbidden to mention anything gay related.
(2) All literature having any mention of homosexuality will be thrown out.
(3) In history class, teachers will not be able to teach that gay people were victims of the holocaust and other genocidal acts in history.
Just a few things off the top of my head.
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the mindset of these followers of christ. Jesus christ...
Yes, chances are this bill will not get passed, or so that's what everyone is saying. But just the fact that it's gotten this far scares the hell out of me.
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Shield
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Message 2 of 247 (618330)
06-02-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-02-2011 6:36 PM


I know this is rather off topic:
Whats with all this right and left bullshit? This is 2011 on the internets, not 1790 in France. Calling people right wing, left wing, conservative or liberal does not do anybody any good.
On topic:
Silly, silly law. Those backing it ought to be ashamed about them selves.
It would probably backfire too. If talking about homosexuality were all of a sudden taboo, it would just make the kids look into it more.
Banned stuff tends to gather attention these days.
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Taz
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Message 3 of 247 (618335)
06-02-2011 7:11 PM
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06-02-2011 6:53 PM


rbp writes:
Calling people right wing, left wing, conservative or liberal does not do anybody any good.
There's nothing wrong with calling right or left wing. That's just a fact.
Right people want to look back to the past and institute things like witch hunts and the inquisition while left people want to starve half the world so the planet could be greener.
Ok, may be that's exaggerating it. But the point is I'm using these terms for the sake of convenience.
Anyway, the fact remains that we always see these very evil intents coming from the conservative side of the fence. They keep saying the 50s were the golden age for some damn reason. Well, they forget things like segregation the power the KKK had on society. Some golden age...

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Shield
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Message 4 of 247 (618337)
06-02-2011 7:24 PM
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06-02-2011 7:11 PM


Taz writes:
Right people want to look back to the past and institute things like witch hunts and the inquisition while left people want to starve half the world so the planet could be greener.
Ok, may be that's exaggerating it. But the point is I'm using these terms for the sake of convenience.
I get your point but the left/right problem is evident in so many political threads on this forum... "This guy is right wing in my perspective, and so are you, therefore you agree with this guy!".
Taz writes:
Anyway, the fact remains that we always see these very evil intents coming from the conservative side of the fence.
Well i cant disagree with that.
Taz writes:
They keep saying the 50s were the golden age for some damn reason. Well, they forget things like segregation the power the KKK had on society. Some golden age...
People these days have very short term memories and cannot be bothered to read actual history, so they watch old flicks to explore the past. Most of the movies from that era about american life, seems pretty goldy-agy to me
I wouldnt want to derail your thread, so lets drops this for now. Perhaps i should create a thread about my problems regarding Left/Liberal, Right, Conservative.
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Panda
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Message 5 of 247 (618339)
06-02-2011 7:26 PM
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06-02-2011 6:36 PM


quote:
Republican Stacey Campfield, the bill's sponsor, says "homosexuals don't naturally reproduce" and has argued families should decide when its appropriate to talk with their children about homosexuality.
Therefore, if homosexuals reproduce (which must involve a member of the opposite sex) then that must be unnatural.
So, if a homosexual having sex with a member of the opposite sex is unnatural - then it must be natural for homosexuals to have sex with members of the same sex?
So why make it illegal to discuss people whose behaviour is natural?
Meh - stupid 'natural' arguments are stupid.

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Coragyps
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Message 6 of 247 (618347)
06-02-2011 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-02-2011 6:36 PM


Wow! It wasn't here in Texas!
That makes me proud! well, not very proud....

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Message 7 of 247 (618349)
06-02-2011 8:08 PM


George Takei vs. Tennessee's "Don't Say Gay" Bill

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Shield
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Message 8 of 247 (618350)
06-02-2011 8:15 PM
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06-02-2011 8:08 PM


Re: George Takei vs. Tennessee's "Don't Say Gay" Bill
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Message 9 of 247 (618367)
06-02-2011 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
06-02-2011 6:36 PM


What the bill says
Here is the text of the bill:
SB0049
00120166
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SENATE BILL 49
By Campfield
AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49, Chapter 6, Part 10, relative to education.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 49-6-1005, is amended by adding the following as new subsection (c) and by relettering the existing subsection (c) accordingly:
(c)
(1) The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient maturity to grasp their complexity.
(2) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring it.
There is nothing in it about any "public servants" other than teachers, so your number 1 is out. It's not clear that literature mentioning homosexuality would be included as "material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality," although it's quite possible. It's less likely that talking about gays being killed during the holocaust would be considered "material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality."
This bill is abhorrent and a clear example of bible belt hatred of gays. But let's make sure that when we say bad things about it that the things we say are true.

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Message 10 of 247 (618372)
06-02-2011 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Taz
06-02-2011 7:11 PM


Double post...
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Message 11 of 247 (618373)
06-02-2011 10:50 PM
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06-02-2011 7:11 PM


Anyway, the fact remains that we always see these very evil intents coming from the conservative side of the fence.
Maybe because we label these things 'conservative' we always see them in conservatism?

Love your enemies!

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Taz
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Message 12 of 247 (620942)
06-21-2011 6:55 PM


Another example of why I hate religion
So, we just got news from one of our friends down south. He's been living with his gay partner. As far as his family was concern, it was just his roommate. Recently, he had to have surgery for some complications. His "roommate" had to go on a business trip. His family said they'd take care of him. Well, on the last day that he was in the hospital, his parents came and asked him if he was gay. He said yes and they just left. His family took his car and just left. He had to use a taxi to go to a hotel and spent a couple nights there. When his partner heard about it he immediately flew back and took him home. And then they got news that his parents had loaded his car up with all his stuff in their house and dropped his car off at a walmart.
His partner and a friend went to pick up the car. In the car was a letter that simply said jesus don't approve of what you're doing... we don't ever want to see you again.
And this guy just had a major surgery to save his life.
This weekend, wife and I will drive down there to visit them.
This christian bullshit is too much for me right now.
Edit.
Imagine what would have happened if the parents had found out when our friend was still living at home. Imagine how many gay kids became homeless because their parents were too christian to let them live at home?
These people make me sick.
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Message 13 of 247 (620950)
06-21-2011 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
06-21-2011 6:55 PM


Re: Another example of why I hate religion
That's one of the most heartbreaking and repulsive stories I've ever heard.

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Message 14 of 247 (620956)
06-21-2011 8:05 PM
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06-02-2011 9:55 PM


Re: What the bill says
quote:
(2) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality.
Emphasis added.
subbie writes:
It's not clear that literature mentioning homosexuality would be included as "material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality," although it's quite possible. It's less likely that talking about gays being killed during the holocaust would be considered "material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality."
With all due respect to your professional competence, how can "any material...that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality" not preclude the things you say it may not?
The prohibitory language seems both specific and absolute.
"Any" is a big sharp word.


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Message 15 of 247 (620957)
06-21-2011 8:08 PM
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06-21-2011 6:55 PM


Re: Another example of why I hate religion
Not as strong an example. Some time back I stumbled upon a site for a documentary film, Divorcing God, dealing with divorce and the lack of support one often gets from their churches. I can no longer find the site, which appears to have been replaced by another documentary. One of the testimonial stories posted was this:
quote:
Divorcing God -- Defining Friendship
When I left my husband, my Christian friends gossiped and judged.
My non-Christian friends loved and accepted.
My Christian friends said things like, We have the right to know why you’re doing this.
You are taking advantage of God’s grace.
I love you but I don’t agree with you.
You will loose everything you ever worked for.
I’m sorry that you gave up your place in eternity for this.
My non-Christian friends said I’m here for you no matter what.
My Christian friends forwarded emails about my personal business.
My non-Christian friends asked me about my personal business.
My Christian friends said This is not OK.
My non-Christian friends said Are you OK?
My Christian friends left me out of their weddings and parties.
My non-Christian friends let me into their homes and lives.
My Christian friends need to surround themselves with other people just like them to justify their own insecurities.
My non-Christian friends value people different than them because they have room in their mind to learn from others.
My Christian friends think they know all the answers.
My non-Christian friends know we don’t have the answers.
My Christian friends called me ‘selfish.’
My non-Christian friends called me ‘honest.’
My Christian friends want everyone to like them.
My non-Christian friends want to like themselves.
My Christian friends are scared it could happen in their own marriage.
My non-Christian friends are secure with their spouses because they did not choose them based on spiritual delusion.
My Christian friends were unhappy for themselves.
My non-Christian friends were happy for me.
My Christian friends haven’t called me once since the divorce.
My non-Christian friends won’t leave me alone.
God forgive me if I’ve ever been a Christian friend.

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