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granpa
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Message 1 of 5 (618658)
06-04-2011 6:22 PM


if there were a being
that loved you to such an extent
that he always only wanted what is best for you
and never wanted anything in return
and knew everything that you know
(and only what you know),
then would you say you are leading your life in accordance with
the way that this being would want you to lead it
?
Does everyone?
my position is that not everyone does because of the death drive
Death drive - Wikipedia
quote:
In classical Freudian psychoanalytic theory, the death drive ("Todestrieb") is the drive towards death, self-destruction and the return to the inorganic: 'the hypothesis of a death instinct, the task of which is to lead organic life back into the inanimate state'.[1] It was originally proposed by Sigmund Freud in 1920 in Beyond the Pleasure Principle, where in his first published reference to the term he wrote of the 'opposition between the ego or death instincts and the sexual or life instincts'.[2] The death drive opposes Eros, the tendency toward survival, propagation, sex, and other creative, life-producing drives. The death drive is sometimes referred to as "Thanatos" in post-Freudian thought, complementing "Eros", although this term was not used in Freud's own work, being rather introduced by one of Freud's followers, Wilhelm Stekel.[3]
The Standard Edition of Freud's works in English confuses two terms that are different in German, Instinkt ("instinct") and Trieb ("drive"), often translating both as instinct. 'This incorrect equating of instinct and Trieb has created serious misunderstandings'.[4] Freud actually refers to the "death instinct" as a drive, a force that is not essential to the life of an organism (unlike an instinct) and tends to denature it or make it behave in ways that are sometimes counter-intuitive. The term is almost universally known in scholarly literature on Freud as the "death drive", and Lacanian psychoanalysts often shorten it to simply "drive" (although Freud posited the existence of other drives as well).

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Message 2 of 5 (618964)
06-07-2011 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by granpa
06-04-2011 6:22 PM


Needs Work
You're wanting to base a discussion on a hypothetical being and then expect participants to think about whether they are leading lives in accordance with the desires of the hypothetical being. I say hypothetical because you said "if".
I don't see this as a viable discussion because participants have no way of knowing what your hypothetical being desires.
If you are talking about the Judeo/Christian God, then just say that. At least then participants will then have an idea of what is expected or can find out anyway.
Are you trying to say that the death drive prevents believers from obeying their gods or just the Judeo/Christian God?
As written, I'm not inclined to promote because it is too vague.
Edited by AdminPD, : No reason given.

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granpa
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Joined: 10-26-2010


Message 3 of 5 (618966)
06-07-2011 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPD
06-07-2011 9:05 AM


Re: Needs Work
quote:
participants have no way of knowing what your hypothetical being desires
he always only wants what is best for you
and never wants anything in return
and knows everything that you know
(and only what you know)
quote:
Are you trying to say that the death drive prevents believers from obeying their gods or just the Judeo/Christian God?
I am saying that the death drive prevents people from doing what is best for themselves.
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Message 4 of 5 (619011)
06-07-2011 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by granpa
06-07-2011 9:25 AM


Re: Needs Work
quote:
I am saying that the death drive prevents people from doing what is best for themselves.
Then the hypothetical being is an unnecessary element in the discussion.
I suggest that you rewrite the OP and leave out the hypothetical being. IMO, it confuses the issue.

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granpa
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Message 5 of 5 (619051)
06-07-2011 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by AdminPD
06-07-2011 2:30 PM


Re: Needs Work
quote:
the hypothetical being is an unnecessary element
on the contrary, it is the whole point
I will not rewrite.

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