A fatal logical flaw in creationism?

If we are too complex and thus must be created by God, then who created God? A super God? Or is it just us?A fatal logical flaw?We created God, not the other way round!
We created many Gods, but One God tries to rule us all!Hmmmmm.... this is begining to sound like poetry from LOTR...
It wasn't intentional.I'm not into poetry but let me try.God created us,
But who created God?
A super God?
Or is it just us?
It's us! it's us!
We created God,
Not the other way round!
We created many Gods,
But one God tries to rule us all!Hehehe... Any suggestion on how to improve on it?

Clever!

Neat-O

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The earth is flat.

Creationism is not concerned with logic.

I am curious why admin leaves this in ID space. A fatal flaw in creationism is of no real concern to proper ID as the two are intrinsically incompatable.(Not that ID is concerned with logic either) {{{sits back and waits for flood ... }}}

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist

Doesn't ID implies a creator?

Technically no. In practice yes. But that doesn't make it creationism.Intelligent design - Wikipedia The designer could be the archtypical SciFi Horror Green Monster Drooling Spacecreature ...The common usage of "creationism" in America is creation according to a literal interpretation of the bible ... which is not ID.Creationism - Wikipedia In ID the design process is ongoing -- a constant tweaking of the design if you will -- and does not confine itself to a single moment of creation. The fact that this makes it fundamentally incompatible with creationism seems to escape the attention of most proponents. And the fact that the "tweaking" must be done by supernatural action means that it is a faith ("Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.").Even if the activating agent and the whole implementation process is purely natural (such as radiation causing mutation causing change over time with selection by survival and sounding a lot like evolution ... ) the belief of a designer behind the process is based on faith. Note that there is no fundamental incompatibility between ID and evolution.See is ID properly pursued? (click) thread for more discussion on what ID (should not be and) is and (what it should be and) is not.Enjoy.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist

This is my understanding of the concept of "God".Where would a mass of infinite space end?
If I were to ask this question it would show that don't understand the concept of infinite space. In the same way God doesn't need a maker because he isn't "a thing".If we assume that time actually exists as we perceive it to exist, (A linear series of events moving from past to future) then time must have a starting point. Otherwise we would never have reached the present moment because an infinite number of events would have already happened in the past...and infinity can't end. God does not exist within time as experiencing a series of events but simply "is". Therefore he would not need a starting point.

Almost everybody now believes that something had to be eternal. Why not then an intelligence to explain the complexity and wonder of the rest?

All the complexities and wonder... You forgot to mention diversity.
The diversity that we see which include bad Designs suggests there's no ID. Random variations which gives rise to diversty is common in the Universe and implies no creator.We created many Gods!

By "bad designs" I will assume you are referring to the existence of death and pain. This is only a problem from a non-eternal worldview. Below is one worldview in which this is not a problem.
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1. God is eternal2. Evil is temporary3. Without wounds there can be no healing
Without wrong doing there can be no forgiveness
Without death there can be no resurrection
Without sacrifice there can be no loveGod in himself is loving and merciful and all that good stuff.. but in order to play out these attributes so that WE can know him - evil must temporarily exist.
Imperfection is an infinitesimally small blip in eternity that God endures only because it is essential to reveal Gods glory, which lasts forever.
---------------------------The above stated worldview is one based off of an interpretation of Romans 9:22-23 in the bible."Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make
his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of
wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on
the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory."

actually usually means things like backwards facing retinas in humans, but forward facing for octopuses.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

Octopus is a brilliant design, in some ways superior to human.
But is there a perfect design - a perfect complex organism?ID 'scientists' should look at the big picture - not small parts here and there.My challenge to ID: find me a perfectly designed complex organism!

First one would need a standard by which to define perfect. Assuming the existance of God, God would be the standard, so only God, or an exact replica of God would be "perfect".

By your definitions, what would make one thing bad and another thing perfect?I think first one must determine what the meaning of life is, and then measure how well life is achieving that goal in order to measure any level of good or bad.