Claims made by IamjJoseph that also dont really make sense.

The following are claims made by IamJoseph.They are mostly from debates I have had with him but some are from other debates where people have advised they have not received an answer. He asked me to start the threads on whatever I wanted him to discuss in more detail.I cannot seem to make head or tail of most of IamJosephs claims and he is making some claims that are outside my field.Would it be possible for individuals who know about the subject matter to respond to these claims?IamJoseph, here are the statements you have made that I wish to discuss.I have no idea -

I will not promote any of your 7 topics, since there isn't really any topic to discuss.Since you apparently don't understand what IamJoseph is saying and you claim that what he is talking about is outside of your field, I don't understand what you are hoping to gain.This is a debate forum and we are to debate the position and not the person. You don't understand his position and you don't present a position of your own except confusion. I don't see viable nonpersonal debates developing.My suggestion is that you and IamJoseph have a discussion in the Great Debate forum where he can clarify his statements for you.I also suggest that when you bring quotes from other threads, you provide a link. No one should have to go looking.Thanks
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ok, let me see if I have this straight.I am in a debate with IamJoseph.He makes a whole heap of claims that i disagree with but are off topic.He actually gets suspended for being off topic.I ask him to start new threads to support his claims.He tells me to start a new thread for the claims I wish to discuss.Other CvE members have asked him to support his claims in other posts, there is even another one active at the moment.And you come on and tell me that this is a personal issue?I dont even know this person.My understanding of the way he states his claim does not mean I am not smart enough to understand his claim.It means that his claim may be valid, I am just missing it because his method of communication is poor.The purpose of opening the claims to others is that some other members may recognise his position and support it.I dont think any of the claims being made are in IamJosephs field either. I think i read somewhere that he is an architect. I am a scientist. But I am not a physicist, an archaeologist, a geologist, a historian or most of the other fields he writes about.I would sincerely doubt that there is anyone in the world who would say that all of the claims made by IamJoseph are in their field.Having a great debate solely with IamJoseph will not likely help.I am trying to debate his position. I dont care who he is.You dont see non personal debates developing? When are there non personal debates on this site? There are not too many i read where one person does not start calling another person an idiot or a liar.Are you going to allow any new topics on this premise?The postition I put forward (at the request of IamJoseph) is that I contest his claims. I have listed the claims that I contest.Check out the end posts on the "What is the creation science theory of the origin of light?" thread to see what I am talking about.Just to make sure I have this right.I cant discuss his claims off topic, I cant start a thread to ask about his claims (even if requested to do so by IamJospeh) with the input of experts in the fields that he discusses.So what are we doing here again?Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

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And you come on and tell me that this is a personal issue?

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I said: I don't see viable nonpersonal debates developing.IamJoseph is basically the topic or target. You want explanation or support of claims he made that were off topic in another thread.Since there is already one thread out there with the same agenda, I feel it is unconscionable to throw 7 more threads at one member.I gave you the option of using the Great Debate forum (if IamJoseph agrees), so that only the two of you can discuss all the claims of his that you don't understand or contest.Reminder: Please take the time to provide links when referring to posts and make sure when you quote that you make it known where the quote came from and not just who wrote it. We have lives outside the computer and no time for hunting.Let me know if you two agree to a Great Debate or not.Thanks
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AdminPD,In your first reply you said - then in your next reply you said - I have listed the things I want to discuss. IamJoseph is not on any of the lists as a topic I want to discuss. Where in the boxed section does it ask anything about IamJoseph as a person. I have taken all of his claims and divided them into relevant sections in individual threads to keep them on topic. You say this is a forum where you debate a position. I have outlined the position and have requested input from IamJospeh and any individuals who may better understand his position. And I gave two valid reasons why a Great Debate would most likely be fruitless.There are seven threads because IamJoseph made a huge amount of off topic comments, mostly in one post.You are right when you say it is unconsionable to throw seven threads at one member. IamJoseph threw all of that information out mostly in one thread.I will advice him that I have been unable to post the threads requested to discuss his claims and his claims will go unanswered.This would have been an effective way to deal with his Gish Gallops.I will have to bring this up when I get suspended for wandering off topic to further discuss his claims that are off topic when he makes them in future.I doubt you actually even read any of the other posts.What about putting one of them in the Coffee House?Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

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I doubt you actually even read any of the other posts.

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Bad assumption.As far as the Great Debate, the Peanut Gallery usually adds to the discussion.The only other option I will consider is the Free for All. We still are not going to start 7 threads.I can start a single thread entitled "The Confusing Claims of IamJoseph".Although the Free For All forum is minimal moderation, the Forum Guidelines still apply.IOW, no one should be harrassing IamJoseph to participate in the thread. He still has a choice of whether he wishes to participate or not.Would that be a suitable outlet for your need to understand?AdminPD