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RAZD
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Message 1 of 63 (644528)
12-18-2011 8:13 PM


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Christianity is once again declaring war . . . and trying to play the victim . . . again:
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I support the churches right to have a separate ceremony, and their right to call it whatever they want to ... I do NOT support a church telling a state or any other person what to call their tree or celebration.
Enjoy
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Message 2 of 63 (644617)
12-19-2011 2:56 PM


Troll Thread
nice try at a troll thread.

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Message 3 of 63 (644627)
12-19-2011 3:49 PM
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12-19-2011 2:56 PM


Re: Troll Thread
Would you mind explaining why this is a "troll thread"?

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RAZD
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Message 4 of 63 (644798)
12-20-2011 6:36 PM
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12-19-2011 2:56 PM


Re: Troll Thread
Hi Artemis Entreri
nice try at a troll thread.
Curiously, I am not aware of any winter solstice time period celebration that involves trolls.
I am aware of many winter solstice time period celebrations that involve decorated trees, mostly Norse derived.
Amusingly, I am also not aware of any biblical reference to decorated evergreen trees.
Perhaps you do?
Thus, without any such reference being made available, I do not see any reasons for Christians to get upset in anyway over calling a decorated tree a "holiday tree" -- do you?
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Message 5 of 63 (644803)
12-20-2011 8:04 PM


I don't think RAZD is talking about all Christians here. Just a select few, for what it's worth.

  
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Message 6 of 63 (644845)
12-21-2011 6:07 AM
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12-20-2011 6:36 PM


Re: Troll Thread
ZD writes:
Amusingly, I am also not aware of any biblical reference to decorated evergreen trees.
Jeremiah writes:
Thus says the Lord. Learn not the way of the heathen and be not dismayed at the signs of the heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain. For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold.

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Message 7 of 63 (644847)
12-21-2011 6:38 AM
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12-21-2011 6:07 AM


Re: Troll Thread
So even god hates christmas
I loved it as a child we have 3 guys that bring gifts and who does not like getting gifts.
Now i dont like it cause i have a verry large family and thats a freeking lot of gifts to buy. And its not about the money but buying them, and wraping them then visiting everyone....
I basicly only celebrate new years usualy drunk like barrel, witha few friends and my gf. I dont use the phrase marry christmas but happy hollidays and a happy new year.

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Message 8 of 63 (644868)
12-21-2011 10:44 AM
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12-20-2011 6:36 PM


Re: Troll Thread
Amusingly, I am also not aware of any biblical reference to decorated evergreen trees.
I am Catholic, biblical references are for protestants.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Message 9 of 63 (644906)
12-21-2011 1:57 PM


Christians execute Santa. After giving him a good talking-to first. The jolly old elf was probably thinking "just shoot me already".

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Message 10 of 63 (644908)
12-21-2011 2:03 PM
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12-21-2011 10:44 AM


biblical references are for protestants.
Benedict XVI's Christmas Message writes:
Verbum caro factum est" — "The Word became flesh" (Jn 1:14).
Benedict XVI's Christmas Message writes:
Being in his presence, observing his works and hearing his words, they recognized in Jesus the Messiah; and seeing him risen, after his crucifixion, they were certain that he was true man and true God, the only-begotten Son come from the Father, full of grace and truth (cf. Jn 1:14).
Benedict XVI's Christmas Message writes:
He who created the world is the same one who called Abraham and revealed his name to Moses: "I am who I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob a God merciful and gracious, abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness (cf. Ex 3:14-15; 34:6).
Benedict XVI's Christmas Message writes:
"The Word became flesh". The proclamation of Christmas is also a light for all peoples, for the collective journey of humanity. "Emmanuel", God-with-us, has come as King of justice and peace.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 11 of 63 (644910)
12-21-2011 2:15 PM


A PC seasons's greetings . . .
from
http://youtu.be/6qUmBT0gh08
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Message 12 of 63 (644913)
12-21-2011 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dr Adequate
12-21-2011 6:07 AM


Heathen Tree Decorations
Hi Dr Adequate
Jeremiah writes:
Thus says the Lord. Learn not the way of the heathen and be not dismayed at the signs of the heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain. For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold.
[quibbles]
(1) I note that evergreen is not specified.
(2) I note that midwinter festivities are not specified.
[/quibbles]
So the bible records that the use of decorated trees is by heathens (pagans), and that this is not to be emulated by Christians.
Makes you wonder how this sits with those that claim that calling a decorated tree a "Holiday Tree" is part of the "War against Christmas" eh?
Enjoy.
Edited by Zen Deist, : quibbles

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Message 13 of 63 (644916)
12-21-2011 2:30 PM
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12-21-2011 6:38 AM


Gift Giving
Hi frako
I loved it as a child we have 3 guys that bring gifts and who does not like getting gifts.
Presumably symbolizing the three wisemen bearing offerings for a new god?
There are many midwinter celebrations that include gift giving (and feasts and trees and fire logs).
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Message 14 of 63 (644918)
12-21-2011 2:37 PM
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12-21-2011 10:44 AM


Why December 25th?
Hi Artemis Entreri
I am Catholic biblical references are for protestants.
So you agree that
  1. there is no basis for a mass celebrating the "Birth of Christ" to be held on the 25th of December, and
  2. that there is no basis for calling any decorated trees "Christmas Trees"
. . . according to your faith.
Do you agree that these yule tide customs and timing have been adopted from other beliefs?
Do you agree that some Christians are trying to take over the celebrations and festivals from other cultures, traditions and beliefs?
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Message 15 of 63 (644919)
12-21-2011 2:41 PM
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12-21-2011 1:57 PM


Terrorist Christians??? Escalating the War???
Hi again Dr Adequate
Christians execute Santa. After giving him a good talking-to first. The jolly old elf was probably thinking "just shoot me already".
quote:
Earlier this year we wrote about Repent Amarillo, a radical right-wing group operating in Texas that considers themselves to be, quite literally, an Army of God.
And as God's army, they have taken it upon themselves to execute Santa Claus by firing squad - all in "good fun," of course - to remind everyone that Christmas is about Jesus Christ:
Sounds like extremist religious terrorism to me. Are they on the Homeland Security watch list?
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