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Son Goku
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Message 1 of 77 (657124)
03-26-2012 6:41 AM


I was wondering did anybody else here grow up with no knowledge of Creationism? I don't
think I ever met anybody in my youth who actually thought the world was made in seven days by God only a couple of thousand years ago. I was completely surprised when I found this out in my late teenage years.
Was this the case with anybody else?

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Jon
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Message 2 of 77 (657125)
03-26-2012 6:55 AM
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03-26-2012 6:41 AM


I don't think I ever met anybody in my youth who actually thought the world was made in seven days by God only a couple of thousand years ago.
Then you certainly never met me.
I grew up firmly believing and defending the Genesis creation myths along with other Creationism lies. It might help us orient ourselves if you give us an idea as to how long ago you were a child. I was a child in the '90s. Perhaps childhood exposure to Creationism is related to when and where we grew up.
Jon

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Message 3 of 77 (657130)
03-26-2012 8:17 AM
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03-26-2012 6:41 AM


Yes, that's exactly what happened to me as well. The first time I came into contact with creationism was when a broadcaster called "Family 7" started airing "Dr. Dino". Not knowing who he was, and always interested in dinosaurs I tuned in. Huge was my surprise when this loony called Kent Hovind took the screen.
I've been hooked ever since.

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Son Goku
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Message 4 of 77 (657131)
03-26-2012 8:38 AM
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Some information
It might help us orient ourselves if you give us an idea as to how long ago you were a child.
I was a child in the late 80s and early 90s in western rural Ireland. My family was never very religious and my grandmother believed in the pooka and the fairy folk as much as in the Christian god, like many others in that part of the country.
I encountered creationism in university where there was a society called "The Christian Union". They had a debate one day about the origins of man. I went along to it having no idea what to expect and was quite surprised.

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Message 5 of 77 (657132)
03-26-2012 9:16 AM
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I was raised Catholic In the USA, east coast and Pennsylvania. I have no recollection of Creationism until at least at college. We were taught Genesis but it seems to have presents more as allegory than literal truth. I went to a Catholic college(even though extremely lapsed as a Catholic by 18) in Duluth, MN. That would be the first time I had some contact with creationism. The creationism did not come from instructors or the priests but rather the more fundamental students. Since the priests and nuns I have been associated with in my life tended to be highly educated, I think there was little chance creationism would find fertile ground in their minds. That would have been early '80's.
My wife believed the Noahic flood when I first met her 10 years ago. I think my influence and her training as an M.D. has successfully disabused her of that silly notion. Her religious(I call them liberal fundamentalist) family has become noticeable less religious through the years.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 6 of 77 (657133)
03-26-2012 9:18 AM
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03-26-2012 8:38 AM


Re: Some information
I also first encountered creationism in college in the early 1970's. There were some (as they were referred to by others) Jesus freaks in my circle of friends, and after I'd known them quite a while, at least a couple years, one night at dinner the subject of evolution came up. Naturally I was surprised to discover they rejected evolution. The subject never came up again, and I didn't think anymore about creationism until the late 1980's when I became aware of it as an issue affecting public schools.
--Percy

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Message 7 of 77 (657138)
03-26-2012 9:52 AM
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03-26-2012 6:41 AM


I was wondering did anybody else here grow up with no knowledge of Creationism?
I grew up with the understanding that the world was old, and the universe was older.
The Genesis 1 story was interesting. But, if you wanted to believe that the Bible was true, then the state of the art was in coming up with ways of reading the text that did not conflict with the obvious facts about reality.
I tend to see Young Earth Creationism as a ridiculous cult that was mostly a 20th century invention. I see Ken Ham's version of creationism as mostly fiction, made up by Ken Ham. I haven't made up my mind as to whether is Ken Ham is a deluded religious fanatic, or is a con man, milking the gullible religious for whatever he can extract from them.
I saw the Adam and Eve story as obvious fiction. When one reads a story with talking snakes and magic trees, one is surely not supposed to take it seriously. The Tower of Babel story was a quaint "Just So" story to explain why there are multiple languages. But since we could experience language evolving as we grew up, it was obviously a false account of language. And the Noah's Ark story was another quaint fable.
It is really hard to comprehend how people who otherwise seem sane, can actually believe that YEC nonsense.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 8 of 77 (657140)
03-26-2012 9:58 AM
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03-26-2012 6:41 AM


I was born the day the Casablanca Conference opened and so was schooled through the fifties and very early sixties. I went to an Episcopal Boarding school and the role that religion played in almost every subject area was discussed and debated.
Creationism, while never named (that moniker came later, maybe 70s) was mentioned but only as a negative contribution, that Biblical beliefs hindered the advancing knowledge in areas like anatomy, evolution, germ theory, anesthetics, corrective surgery, blood transfusions, astronomy, physics, geology ...

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 9 of 77 (657155)
03-26-2012 11:33 AM
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I was born in 1983, and was raised very loosely Lutheran. (I went to a Lutheran preschool, and during those years went to church.) I believed in god, but also accepted evolution and was very interested in space and science. (Thanks Star Trek)
As far as knowledge of creationism, I don't think I actually encountered a "True Believer" until I got closer to high school age, and even then, it was second hand, in the form of TV Evangelists, etc. I don't even remember having Jehovah's Witnesses stopping by, though I believe my mother has mentioned them stopping at least once.

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Message 10 of 77 (657172)
03-26-2012 1:52 PM
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03-26-2012 6:41 AM


It was the opposite in my case. I was well into my teen years before I had any real information about evolution at all. I'll never forget the first time I heard the word. My mom was watching the 700 Club with Pat Robertson, and the word Evolution was used. I asked her what it meant, and her reply was along the lines of, "People who hate God say that in the beginning, there was a giant cell. And out of that cell jumped a pig and a cow, and fish, and eventually a man." I still remember the mental image of a pig leaping out of a massive cell.
I felt called to the ministry as a young man, and attended Bible school where they further caricatured Evolution. I was sheltered enough that I was in my twenties before I realized how few people actually believed in my beloved Creation story...quite the surprise.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Message 11 of 77 (657182)
03-26-2012 3:00 PM
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When I young sometime in the late 1980s I read an American fact book that was sent by my US family. It was a good book, filled with random facts about the world. How heavy is a neutron star? Who killed Julius Caesar? That kind of stuff. Anyway, in a random side box titled 'Did you know?' was a brief comment about Bishop Ussher calculated the date of creation to October, 4004BC.
I didn't think anyone took the calculation seriously, I thought it was a 'fun fact' about our forefather's doomed efforts for learning the age of the universe. It was an inset in a page about the real age of the universe.
I remained ignorant of the phenomenon of people taking it seriously until I was in my twenties (sometime around 2004, a number of months before I first visited this site (I lurked for a little while, before registering). I learned that some people thought thermodynamics was a nail in the coffin for evolution from a sort of precursor of wikipedia and began investigate the merits, or lack thereof, of this position.
abe: Actually I remember learning that 'some people believe animals were specially created and not evolved' sometime in high school, but I didn't think it was particularly common.
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Message 12 of 77 (657189)
03-26-2012 3:16 PM


I don't think that I knew anybody who admitted to being a creationist when I was young. But I don't doubt that there were some around. I learned about creationism from books and later the internet (and I have even met a few in person, briefly - but I haven't discussed it face to face with anyone).

  
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Message 13 of 77 (657205)
03-26-2012 5:08 PM
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I'd never met anyone who actually believed in YEC until I went to work for a small software company in my mid-30s. I overheard two members of the sales team discussing a 'recent' test of a quarter f/ Mt. St. Helens that dated over 20K years old. HUH?
I asked another sales rep what the heck they were talking about, and he filled me in briefly about the flood, Genesis, & the tower of Babel all being literally true. He wasn't as invested in their beliefs as the other two were, but I could tell he was sympathetic.
I backed away slowly, and afterwards spent most of my time at work hanging out with the Wiccan accountant. At least she made sense!
I spent the bulk of my teenage years in Idaho during the 70s, so I was more familiar with the 'golden tablets/sudden revelations about black folk' myths than literal bible myths.

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Message 14 of 77 (657211)
03-26-2012 5:39 PM
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Well, I knew it existed like I knew that the Amish don't use electricity. I didn't realize what it was like, which is more like if the Amish passed out pamphlets on the street explaining how to make a Faraday cage out of wood and pieces of string to build around your child's crib to stop electricity from getting in and eating your babies.
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Message 15 of 77 (657278)
03-27-2012 10:31 AM
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No I am in the same boat as you. I was raised rather roman catholic, and never heard about creationism once. I went to parochial grade school and high school, and never heard about creationism till i finally went to public school at the university level. I think creationism is for protestants, and those who think the letter of the law is all literal. Its quite mind boggling to me.

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