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Kiddo Junior Member (Idle past 2975 days) Posts: 4 From: India Joined: |
How did viruses come into existence???
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Admin Director Posts: 12706 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
This is just a question rather than a debate topic, but if there is a creationist position on this issue then I'm sure a debate will emerge without going to the trouble of framing the issue more concisely, so I'm going to promote this as is.
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Admin Director Posts: 12706 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Origin of viruses thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16112 Joined:
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What do you mean, if? There always is. It's always the same one. God made them by magic.
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Dr Jack Member (Idle past 848 days) Posts: 3507 From: Leicester, England Joined:
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No-one knows, nor is it clear that they share a common origin. There is some reason to believe some viruses predate cellular life but since viruses leave no fossils we have no direct evidence to work with.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 262 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
How is it magic if the personality that brought the laws of physics into existence and is the source of all energy is able to manipulate those laws and energies to his own ends?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Mr Jack
IIRC, there was some work on virus RNA\DNA that showed homologies between viruses in all branches of cellular life, indication a shared common ancestor. Indeed there is the hypothesis that they are left overs from the RNA world before DNA and cellular live evolved, that they represent a more primitive form of life between pre-biotic chemical evolution and cellular life.
Which leaves us with genetic evidence and (informed?) speculation. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Dr Jack Member (Idle past 848 days) Posts: 3507 From: Leicester, England Joined:
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Hi RAZD,
I'm going by Koonin et al (2006) The ancient Virus World and evolution of cells (open access). Which states: quote:
Absolutely, but let's not confuse coherent hypothesis with directly evidenced theory.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey Mr Jack,
Cool thanks. btw -- do you know if viruses have ever been responsible for beneficial gene sequences? or do we only get deleterious and then neutralized ones. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Dr Jack Member (Idle past 848 days) Posts: 3507 From: Leicester, England Joined:
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Hi RAZD,
Yes. Genes vital for placental formation are derived from retroviruses. Hang on, I'll dig out a source... Black et al (2010) Endogenous Retroviruses in Trophoblast Differentiation and Placental Development Edited by Mr Jack, : Added reference
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Tangle Member Posts: 8037 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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Because that's what magic is. noun Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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RAZD Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Tangle,
And if they did it all at the formation of the universe ... how would you know? Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : splg by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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onifre Member (Idle past 1694 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
They? - Oni
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RAZD Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi onifre
The accepted collective term for he/she/it/they these days. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Percy Member Posts: 19885 From: New Hampshire Joined: |
That's not magic! That's just God being God.
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