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Eliyahu
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Message 1 of 4 (720542)
02-25-2014 2:09 AM


Bs'd

"Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that Y-H-W-H, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other."
Deut 4:39

"You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is nothing."
Deut 4:35

Only God exists.

Besides Him there is nothing.

And when I say nothing I mean NOTHING.

Of course there are always obstructionists who will claim that there is a whole universe filled with all kind of things big and small, and that therefore there do exist things beside God.

To them I say: There is NOTHING except for God.

And what about the whole physical world? The real solid tangible material world?

Well, that's just an illusion.

We are living in a matrix. We only THINK there is a physical world. In reality that is only an illusion, a figment of our imagination. A fata morgana.

Let's take a closer look at that supposed "real world". Take matter, for instance iron. That is made up of atoms, which are made up of a nucleus of protons and neutrons, with circling around it electrons. When we enlarge the nucleus to say a diameter of 4 inches, like an orange, then the electrons are circling around it in a distance of 4 miles.
And in between is nothing. Also not air, because that is something, but totally nothing.

And that means that something like iron, with a very solid feel to it, is 99.9999999999999% nothing.

And that makes a big difference.

In one shot we are rid of 99.9999999999999% of the material world.

However, we are still stuck with the remaining 0.0000000000001%.

But it turns out, that that remnant exists only as matter, something physical, as long as it is observed. The moment it is not observed, it changes into a wave, and no longer exists as a particle.

And that not only raises questions about the essence of matter, but also questions like: "How does dead matter know it is observed?"

People much smarter and much better educated than me, concluded from this that the universe is a mental entity, and not a physical entity.

Here is a youtube which in simple language explains the basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_tNzeouHC4

Here is the same story, but now brought to you in a more complicated way, by a professor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvAla2y9wc

In the first video it is explained that observation decides the state of the electron; particle or wave, and that when you install a detector, that the electron will start to behave like a particle, and not anymore like a wave.
But they forgot to tell, that when the information about the electron, stored in the detector, is deleted before the electron hits the farthest screen which makes it visible, that it then again starts to behave like a wave.

In 2005 an article appeared in one of the most respected, if not THE most respected, peer reviewed scientific journal, "Nature", which speaks about the mental universe.

That can be read here, if you give them your credit card number: http://www.nature.com/...ournal/v436/n7047/full/436029a.html

Here excerpts of the article can be found: http://amnap.blogspot.com/2007/04/mental-universe.html

Here a few excerpts:

"Physicists shy from the truth because the truth is so alien to everyday physics. A common way to evade the mental Universe is to invoke ‘decoherence’ — the notion that ‘the physical environment’ is sufficient to create reality, independent of the human mind. Yet the idea that any irreversible act of amplification is necessary to collapse the wave function is known to be wrong: in ‘Renninger-type’ experiments, the wave function is collapsed simply by your human mind seeing nothing. The Universe is entirely mental."

"There is another benefit of seeing the world as quantum mechanical: someone who has learned to accept that nothing exists but observations is far ahead of peers who stumble through physics hoping to find out ‘what things are’. If we can ‘pull a Galileo,’ and get people believing the truth, they will find physics a breeze.

The Universe is immaterial — mental and spiritual. Live, and enjoy."

So the universe is not physical, but mental.

Here is what others said about that one:

“Today there is a wide measure of agreement… that the stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine”
Astronomer James Jeans

“The stuff of the universe is mind-stuff”
Astronomer Arthur Eddington

More recently, described as “an intelligent universe” whose apparent concreteness is generated by cosmic data from an unknowable, organized source. The holographic theory says that: “…our brains mathematically construct hard reality by interpreting frequencies from a dimension transcending time and space. The brain is a hologram, interpreting a holographic universe.”
Cyberneticist David Foster

In his play Copenhagen, which brings quantum mechanics to a wider audience, Michael Frayn gives these word to Niels Bohr: “we discover that... the Universe exists... only through the understanding lodged inside the human head.” . . .

I especially like this one:

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, who was the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies wrote in his book, God and the Astronomers, that “For the scientistwho has lived by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream: The scientist has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

The strange part is that these facts are known for almost a hundred years, and almost nobody knows about it.

How did this state of afairs come about?

On that page with the excerpt of the article about the "Mental Universe" is a comment by a reader that says: " I thought based on that non-mainstream view of QM that he might be a marginal figure, but hardly. His statements lend a great deal of credibility to the idea of consciousness as central to QM and therefore reality."

The author of the article, professor Richard Conn Henry, a physicist at John Hopkins University, answers to that:
"But the truly remarkable thing is that the view of QM that I express is NOT "non-mainstream." It is totally non-controversial. What IS controversial, is talking about it. (It has been accurately called physics' skeleton in the closet). Something really has to be done about this, and I am at least trying."

So the mental universe is a fact, a non-controversial generally accepted fact.
That is: amongst scienitists.

But what is controversial, is speaking about it. It is swept under the carpet. It is the skeleton in the closet of the scientists.

And that's why this fact is virtually unknown by the guy in the street.

We can compare this to another slip up of science, namely the fact that for 150 the layman was lied to about the assumption that the fossil record would support the evolution theory, something that is absolutely wrong. The fossil record shows the opposite of evolution, namely stasis; non-change.

About this, a famous paleontologist, Niles Eldredge, co-inventor of the punctuated equilibrium theory, says:

"...we have proffered a collective tacit acceptance of the story of gradual adaptive change, a story that strengthened and became even more entrenched as the synthesis took hold. We paleontologists have said that the history of life supports that interpretation, all the while really knowing that it does not."

Eldredge, Niles "Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibria," Simon & Schuster: New York NY, 1985, p. 44
So here it is stated flat out that the public was lied to about the fossil record for 150 years.

And even so now the fact that the universe and everything in it is not material but mental, is being swept under the carpet and hushed up.

From this we can learn that scientist not necessarilly have the good of science in mind, or the good of the masses, but mainly their own good. Sometimes they are just like humans.

And who can blame them, when rocking the boat means that you lose your job, your carriere is gonna be broken, en you'll never again find a job in your field.

Things like that don't happen anymore in our modern society you say?

Just look here what happened to a great scientist, Velikovsky, when he published facts that were not to the liking of the scientific establishment: https://sites.google.com/site/777mountzion/exodus

Or watch on youtube the documantary "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed".

But one way or another; the physical universe doesn't exitst.

Please be adviced that nevertheless it is not a good idea to start banging your head agains the wall, thinking: "That wall doesn't exist anyway", because we are subjected to the laws that God has set for our matrix, and head-against-the-wall-banging will result in a nasty headache.

Anyway; Welcome to the Matrix.
(een prophetic movie)



"The only reality is mind and observations."

Richard Conn Henry, Cambridge professor department of physics

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02-25-2014 3:28 AM
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02-25-2014 2:09 AM


I would promote this, but I don't exist. Besides Y-H-W-H there is nothing else. (Mod Humor)

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Eliyahu
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02-25-2014 8:48 AM
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02-25-2014 3:28 AM


how does this topic differ from any of your others?

Bs'd

If you can't see the difference, then I think you need stronger glasses.



"The only reality is mind and observations."

Richard Conn Henry, Cambridge professor department of physics

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