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bee
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Message 1 of 84 (742819)
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


I propose this to be a part of the open debate section.

Destiny, I believe, exists. But I also believe strongly that not everyone fulfills their destinies.

Those who do decide to fulfill them, live a rich and meaningful life...


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Message 2 of 84 (742821)
11-25-2014 1:37 AM


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Thread copied here from the Destiny is a reality. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 3 of 84 (742822)
11-25-2014 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


Destiny 101
Interesting philosophy. Destiny exists(for all, I assume) yet not all fulfill their destiny.

Are you a believer in any religions or basic philosophies or are you still forming your beliefs and world views?


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Message 4 of 84 (742824)
11-25-2014 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


Those who do decide to fulfill them, live a rich and meaningful life...

Is that a tautology I see coming down the road...


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Message 5 of 84 (742826)
11-25-2014 4:27 AM
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11-24-2014 11:55 PM


Bee writes:

Destiny, I believe, exists. But I also believe strongly that not everyone fulfills their destinies.

Those who do decide to fulfill them, live a rich and meaningful life...

You have to overcome a simple problem. I can merely say:

"Destiny, I believe, doesn't exist"

You now have to demonstrate empirically that it does.

Secondly, how can a destiny that is unfulfilled be a destiny, and how would you know anyway?

I wish you luck with this one.......


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 6 of 84 (742827)
11-25-2014 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


The thing about destiny is that you can point at any eventuallity of somebody's life and say "that was her destiny".

I don't see how you can diferentiate between someone realising their destiny and not.

How can one predict what one's destiny is?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 7 of 84 (742828)
11-25-2014 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


How do I find out what my destiny is?
(so that i can choose whether or not to fulfill it)

How do I decide whether or not I have fulfilled my destiny?
Does someone somewhere have a list? are they checking it twice?

Maybe my destiny is to sit here reading worthless babble on the internet.
in which case: Mission accomplished! GO ME!


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Message 8 of 84 (742830)
11-25-2014 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


What's your meaning of the word destiny?
This could be an interesting thread.

Before this discussion can start, could you provide a short summary or definition of what you think the word destiny means and how you intend using the word in this thread?

(Don't get me wrong. I don't plan to participate. I just need to know exactly what you mean when you use the word destiny. Words can have very different meanings, depending on the context).

Edited by Pressie, : Changed subtitle of my post.


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Message 9 of 84 (742904)
11-25-2014 12:19 PM


Hindsight Bias
Food for thought:

"Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along effect or creeping determinism, is the inclination, after an event has occurred, to see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it, prior to its occurrence."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

Outside of books and Jedi films, when people use the phrase "Mr. Smith was destined for that" they are always talking about past events. They are looking back and claiming that they knew all along that Occurence X was going to to happen to Mr. Smith.


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Message 10 of 84 (742923)
11-25-2014 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Taq
11-25-2014 12:19 PM


Re: Hindsight Bias
Outside of books and Jedi films, when people use the phrase "Mr. Smith was destined for that" they are always talking about past events. They are looking back and claiming that they knew all along that Occurence X was going to to happen to Mr. Smith.

Always picking on Smiths ... it's like our destiny ...

There are other problems ... like the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy and the problem of self-contradiction:

Message 1: Destiny, I believe, exists. But I also believe strongly that not everyone fulfills their destinies.

So for some people their destiny is to not fulfill their destiny ... which they fulfill by not fulfilling it ...

Enjoy


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Message 11 of 84 (742932)
11-25-2014 2:40 PM
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11-25-2014 6:36 AM


Re: What's your meaning of the word destiny?
Don't get me wrong. I don't plan to participate.

Too late. Your destiny cannot be fulfilled.


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bee
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Message 12 of 84 (742964)
11-25-2014 9:23 PM
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11-25-2014 1:42 AM


Re: Destiny 101
My belief was formed mostly from Western heroes such as Napoleon and Alexander. That, combined with my deep Christian devotion, made me believe that there is more to life than playing video games.

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bee
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Message 13 of 84 (742965)
11-25-2014 9:27 PM
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11-25-2014 4:27 AM


Maybe my words carry more weight than yours? I think it to be true. Therefore, it is likely that I speak the truth.

A destiny that is unfulfilled is not destiny. I claim that it's something else.


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Message 14 of 84 (742966)
11-25-2014 9:30 PM
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11-25-2014 4:53 AM


I think it is up to God and the person herself to decide or discover what her destiny is. Also, I define Destiny as the fulfillment of our purpose in life. Not as random occurrences.

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Message 15 of 84 (742971)
11-25-2014 10:52 PM
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11-25-2014 6:36 AM


Re: What's your meaning of the word destiny?
Before this discussion can start, could you provide a short summary or definition of what you think the word destiny means and how you intend using the word in this thread?

As best I can tell, it doesn't mean anything.

Based on the OP, it seems that "destiny" is defined as that which is bound to happen unless it doesn't happen.


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