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Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 1639 (749316)
02-03-2015 4:46 PM


I keep looking at the sodding calendar. I am fairly certain that it's early 2015. The presidential election, I keep looking it up, is in November 2016. And yet people keep telling me that the primary season is upon us. I think the whole world has gone mad.

And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are. God help us all.

So, once again, this is the thread for discussing the primaries, and if you even think we should be doing so at this point, then may you be cursed with a thousand plagues and may angry wombats eat your underwear. Nonetheless ... here we are.

I shall write my customary bitterly sarcastic synopsis of the candidates at the first moment when I've recovered from the concept that we should even be thinking about this crap right now.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Edited by Admin, : Return thread to original title.


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Tangle
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Message 2 of 1639 (749321)
02-03-2015 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
02-03-2015 4:46 PM


I'm betting (actually not much at all ) on a coalition.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Taq
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Message 3 of 1639 (749338)
02-03-2015 6:24 PM


Ripping off Henry Ford . . .

On the Democratic side you have many candidates to choose from, as long as you choose Hillary Clinton.


  
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Message 4 of 1639 (749347)
02-03-2015 7:42 PM


It's way too early for thinking about the election. But it is not too early for the awesome. There's already a plentiful supply.

Warren Throckmorton writes:

http://www.patheos.com/...more-fruits-of-david-bartons-labor
Politically, if the RNC has been taken over by Christian nation campaigners then there is no reason to spend a dime on a primary season. Just hand the keys to Hillary; it is over.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 5 of 1639 (749395)
02-04-2015 7:43 AM


I do hope America elects Jeb Bush. Given that he shares the same genes with his brother George he would be a perfect choice as president. So the rest of the world remains entertained.

Who could forget his awesome speeches that rivaled all his predecessors.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 6 of 1639 (749521)
02-05-2015 1:15 PM
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02-03-2015 7:42 PM


It's way too early for thinking about the election. But it is not too early for the awesome. There's already a plentiful supply.

Republicans are a victim of their own gerrymandering. If we tally the House votes, more people voted for Democrats than Republicans, yet Republicans hold a huge majority in the House. This is due to gerrymandering. In order to hold on to these ill got gains, they pander to the base which is their ticket to winning the gerrymandered districts.

When you move this to a national election, they simply don't have the votes. Moving hard to the right to ensure control of Congress only weakens their chances of winning the White House. Their strategy has been to sacrifice their chances at the White House in order to control Congress. They are afraid that if they play straight up on both fronts that they will lose both.


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Message 7 of 1639 (749589)
02-05-2015 11:23 PM
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02-04-2015 7:43 AM


JEB
The last Republican to win the presidency without a Nixon or a Bush on the ticket was Herbert Hoover, 1929-1933.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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Message 8 of 1639 (749591)
02-06-2015 12:54 AM
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Re: JEB
I would definitely vote for the corpse of Herbert Hoover.
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Message 9 of 1639 (750619)
02-19-2015 11:15 AM
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02-05-2015 11:23 PM


Re: JEB
The last Republican to win the presidency without a Nixon or a Bush on the ticket was Herbert Hoover, 1929-1933.

Of course, one should note that Nixon was on the ticket five times and won four times, while different G. Bushes were on the ticket six times with five wins by my counting from memory. What kind of stat is this?


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 10 of 1639 (750620)
02-19-2015 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
02-03-2015 4:46 PM


This is one of the things about our political system that I see as really messed up. These politicians get elected for a four year term and spend only 1 year of that actually working (if you can actually call what they do "working") They spend the other three years preparing for the next election cycle.

I don't think we get our money's worth!

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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Message 11 of 1639 (750663)
02-20-2015 11:45 AM
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herebedragons writes:

These politicians get elected for a four year term and spend only 1 year of that actually working (if you can actually call what they do "working") They spend the other three years preparing for the next election cycle.


In Canadian history there was a considerable amount of emphasis on the importance of "responsible government" - i.e. if Parliament loses confidence in the Prime Minister and Cabinet, they can boot him out. Unfortunately, there's a movement afoot now to set that aside and emulate your inferior system.
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Message 12 of 1639 (750670)
02-20-2015 1:48 PM
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02-20-2015 11:45 AM


In Canadian history there was a considerable amount of emphasis on the importance of "responsible government" - i.e. if Parliament loses confidence in the Prime Minister and Cabinet, they can boot him out. Unfortunately, there's a movement afoot now to set that aside and emulate your inferior system.

You could have a mix of the two systems. You could elect a President independently of Parliament, but still make it possible to have a vote of no confidence through the Parliament.

Although, a lame duck President does make for interesting politics.

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Message 13 of 1639 (750780)
02-22-2015 1:18 PM
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02-20-2015 1:48 PM


Taq writes:

You could elect a President independently of Parliament, but still make it possible to have a vote of no confidence through the Parliament.


That's what I advocate - replacing the appointed Governor-General (and the monarchy) with an elected President.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 14 of 1639 (754036)
03-24-2015 12:00 AM


Things Ted Cruz Doesn't Know
Well, Ted Cruz is the first to officially announce his candidacy, and he's off to a flying start, because in the very speech he did so, he pledged to "repeal every word of Common Core", unaware, apparently, of the fact that it's, y'know, not a federal law.
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Message 15 of 1639 (754040)
03-24-2015 1:10 AM


I'm cheering for Ted Cruz. He shows the world the true face of conservatism, mainly how crazy they are.
    
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