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Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 375 (751087)
02-26-2015 7:30 PM


Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Quran and Bible.

Ridding ourselves of Islams extremist jihadists is good. But to allow the Quran and other Holy books, --- which create the jihadists, --- to remain unchanged is not good.

The passages that create our problems must be re-interpreted and re-rephrased for modern times. Revisions are quite common to most of the documents at hand. The passages which create the extremist view are the real enemy. Those passages create the mindset that is plaguing our young. In the long term, we are better served to kill what creates the jihadists of the future, and not the future Jihadists, by removing the Jihadist creating parts of their theologies and ideologies. It is a much more humane way to end that destructive type of extremist behavior.

To have real peace, we must do the same to the immoral parts of the Bible.

The Quran and the Bible are both creating misogynous and homophobic religions that deny many of us equality. World/Male domination of a few over the many of us is the goal of both of the two largest of the mainstream religions. Those who fly the cross and those who fly the star and crescent. Both groups are idol worshipers and not the God seekers that Jesus wanted for mankind. Shame on both the cross and those who fly the star and crescent.

Justice demands that both the Quran and the Bible be revised and thus force the mainstream religions to upgrade, modernize and join us in the present instead of living with ancient Gods. Governments should force the policies of the Gods to become more acceptable to mankind. After all, governments created religions to serve us. Not to dominate us.

Secular Governments, who are answerable to you and me, should rule without religions getting in the way of progress. Social control and manipulation is better in government hands than what religions offer. Ask any woman or gay. Those two oppressed groups want social manipulation of the social manipulators and their poor moral and religious attitudes. To give any ruling power to invisible absentee Gods is foolish.

Should secular governments pick up the pace and shed ourselves of the misogynous Quran and Bible. Have those cursed books created enough grief for women and gays? Have we allowed the downgrading of women long enough?

Man is God. God needs and wants a Goddess. Secular men are free and equal. Should our women not also be free and equal?

Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Quran and Bible to make those documents more civilized?

Regards
DL


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Message 2 of 375 (751089)
02-27-2015 7:42 AM


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Message 3 of 375 (751091)
02-27-2015 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
02-26-2015 7:30 PM


Should our women not also be free and equal?

This extends far beyond the religious. The present BS going on with MRAs and their violent bullying in secular circles is not so much a religious thing as it is a stupid male privilege thing. There is much work to be done all around.

Should secular governments pick up the pace and shed ourselves of the misogynous Quran and Bible. (?)

Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Quran and Bible to make those documents more civilized?

No. Not if you want freedom of conscience for yourself. If you take it from one you take it from all.

Government has no place in the process. Education is the road to follow. Let those books die a natural death in an educated secular society.


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Message 4 of 375 (751101)
02-27-2015 10:09 AM
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02-26-2015 7:30 PM


Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Quran and Bible to make those documents more civilized?

Who cares about the documents?

It's the people that need changing.

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


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Message 5 of 375 (751104)
02-27-2015 10:16 AM
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02-26-2015 7:30 PM


Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Quran and Bible to make those documents more civilized?

No, I cannot think of a more worthless waste of our government's time and money.

This is a terrible idea.


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Message 6 of 375 (751109)
02-27-2015 10:27 AM


Not to mention the fact that it is one thing to read a book and quite another to carry out terrorist attacks. Think of the multitudes that are not committing atrocities. It is non sequitur.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 7 of 375 (751124)
02-27-2015 2:03 PM
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02-27-2015 10:16 AM


WTF?
10 years and all you can manage is 10,000 posts?

Slackard!

Congrats, Cat Sci.


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Message 8 of 375 (751125)
02-27-2015 2:20 PM
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02-27-2015 2:03 PM


Re: WTF?
Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed that I passed 10,000 posts. And 10 years


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Message 9 of 375 (751174)
02-28-2015 12:58 PM
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02-27-2015 9:00 AM


AZPaul3

How long should we tell women, even in the West, that they have to wait for a better education system before expecting any form of equality under the law?

You go ahead and tell you wife and daughters that you are working on that better education system.

Regards
DL


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Message 10 of 375 (751175)
02-28-2015 1:02 PM
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02-27-2015 10:09 AM


Jon

I agree that it is people who need changing but if we do not urge them to improve their teaching and indoctrination tools, that change in people will not happen.

Even just the conversation on this issue would change some minds but let's not try to civilise ourselves or our Christian and Muslim friends.

Regards
DL


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Message 11 of 375 (751176)
02-28-2015 1:03 PM
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02-27-2015 10:16 AM


Cat Sci

Was keeping I.D. out of high school a poor idea as well?

Regards
DL


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Message 12 of 375 (751177)
02-28-2015 1:05 PM
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02-27-2015 10:27 AM


1.61803

I am not concerned with the more intelligent. It is the less intelligent that need the help and not reading certain passages that justify Jihad would go a long way to that end.

Regards
DL


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Message 13 of 375 (751181)
02-28-2015 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Greatest I am
02-28-2015 12:58 PM


How long should we tell women, even in the West, that they have to wait for a better education system before expecting any form of equality under the law?

In most western nations women do have equality under law. The government has done what it needed to do. The problem is misogyny still exists in segments of society despite the law. That is a social enlightenment (read education) problem not one the government can change with religious censorship.

In those backass places where misogyny itself is the law of the land then the government needs to be changed and that can only come about with social enlightenment (read education) and probably bloody revolution.

You go ahead and tell your wives and daughters you want to destroy their legal guarantee of freedom of conscience in order to save them. See how that fits.


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Message 14 of 375 (751188)
02-28-2015 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
02-26-2015 7:30 PM


The passages which create the extremist view are the real enemy. Those passages create the mindset that is plaguing our young.

How about providing a convincing argument that this is true? Can you do that?


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 15 of 375 (751206)
03-01-2015 9:02 AM


How about just adding a line in the quoran and the bible, something like this if you feel that god is trying to convince you to kill people smoke a joint and wait for that feeling to go away.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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