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ICANT Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
I would like to discuss what the Bible says about creation in comparison to what Science says about creation.
Since my arguments will be based on the Bible this will need to be placed in the Bible Study. I would like to discuss one point at the time starting with creation according to what the Bible has recorded in it. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. This verse tells us that "In the beginning" is when the heaven and the earth was created. YEC's tell us that was 6 to 10 thousand years ago. Science tells us that was 13.4 to 20 billion years in the past. Some scientist have shortened the time to 8 billion years in the past. The Bible does not say when the beginning was, just that it was. There is no verse in the Bible that says when the beginning was. Therefore the universe could have began to exist at any point in past duration. Thus the Bible and science agrees that the universe began to exist and it is old. Once we have discussed what the bible says about the beginning to exist of the universe and the scientific view we can move on to how God might have accomplished that event. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Who cares what the Bible says? That is the Word of Man.
Here is a little song:
quote:Turn and look. Are you a creationist? Then tell me Who Created the Universe. Do you want to tell me that the Bible tells us something different from what is plainly evident? Based on what? What the universe says about what God has wrought is indisputable. Do you then wish to dispute it?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
ICANT writes: Science doesn't have anything to say about any form of religious creation. I would like to discuss what the Bible says about creation in comparison to what Science says about creation. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
quote:So, your arguments will be based on a collection of 73 books? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1696 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Apparently you wanted this to be treated as a topic proposal to be promoted to Bible Study, but you have begun it in the Coffee House forum instead of the Proposed Topics forum.
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Thus the Bible and science agrees that the universe began to exist and it is old. But science disagrees with the that very first verse in the Bible because the earth was not created in the beginning. There's billions of years between the beginning of the universe and the beginning of the earth.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Cat
Cat Sci writes: But science disagrees with the that very first verse in the Bible because the earth was not created in the beginning. There's billions of years between the beginning of the universe and the beginning of the earth. Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning. So where is the problem? The earth we live on today had to have many growing events during it's duration in existence to get to the size it is now with all the buried materials to form the fossil fuels that are in the earth. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Creation thread in the Coffee House forum.
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
As Faith noted, this thread was started in the wrong forum, but it seems fine and I've promoted it to the Bible Study forum. The copy over at Coffee House is now closed.
I jut realized that The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy is a better forum for this thread, so after posting this message I'll move it again.
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Creation thread in the Bible Study forum.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
ICANT writes: Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning. If that is the position you take then it is simply worthless data with almost no value whatsoever. The only value is that it is a great example of the common practice of The reality though is that the quote is part of a statement said to happen during a single first day. That of course is patently false. AbE: Science (and reality instead of myth) on the other hand can actually provide understanding and additional information that simply cannot be discovered in any Bible stories. Science can tell us that the beginning of this universe was at least 14.5 Billion Years ago and that the beginning of this earth was about 4.5 Billion years ago and that it has NOT grown to this size but was about the same size from very close to it's beginning. Edited by jar, : see AbE: hit submit instead of preview. Edited by jar, : follow Admin's rulingAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
jar writes: The only value is that it is a great example of the common practice of the Christian Cult of Ignorance of quote mining, taking a single line out of context and trying to sell it as whole cloth. I'm going to disallow denigrating labels like "Christian Cult of Ignorance." Please, no replies to this message.
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Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning. So where is the problem? Its a singular beginning, since they were both created in it, they were created at the same moment. It does not say that the heaven and the earth were created in beginnings.
The earth we live on today had to have many growing events Those are not beginnings. The earth was created in the beginning, growing events are another thing. Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning. So where is the problem? The earth we live on today had to have many growing events during it's duration in existence to get to the size it is now with all the buried materials to form the fossil fuels that are in the earth. If you look at the first few versus of Genesis, you can see that it is inconsistent with the scientific views:
quote: It specifically states that both the earth along with it's water surface was created in a realm of 'darkness'; subsequent to that, light came into being. That is totally backwards from the scientific view of how the universe formed. There was no constituent matter: i.e. 'earth' (dirt) or water (H2O) at the beginning of the universe prior to light manifesting. The first 'light' was the result of the fusion reaction of stars as hydrogen fused to form helium. Additionally, the heavier elements that comprise the earth are the by-product of stars going through their life-cycle and dying. So in essence, light had to exist prior to the earth. The bible states the reverse.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning. So where is the problem? Well, people have always read the Bible as meaning they were created at the same moment. So your argument would have to be that the Bible is in fact correct, but is so badly written that no-one knew what it meant until we could read it in the light of modern science. It would make one wonder why God couldn't write the Bible so as to make himself understood; and what else in the Bible we are currently misreading for want of knowing the facts. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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