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Author | Topic: What is behind the "False News" paranoia? Is it paranoia? Does "False News" exist? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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I was just attempting to understand what the heck got Dr. Jerome Corsi into the Mueller mess. I haven't been paying much attention to the political news in the past months (aside from the elections), and I only learned of the Corsi situation weeks ago. I immediately felt that there must have been an association with Roger Stone and that was how he somehow managed to get tangled up into this investigation. I just found out that I was correct. Corsi bragged, in 2017, that his 2016 articles were the spark that got Stone interested in WikiLeaks dumping the Podesta emails. (It earned him multiple days of interrogation from the Mueller team.) https://www.cnn.com/...i-plea-deal-robert-mueller/index.html But Stone says he got tipped by a progressive associate of WikiLeaks. https://www.cnn.com/...roger-stone-wikileaks-hack/index.html (The alleged crimes, of ALL of these men, would be possible perjury, and not due to an association with WikiLeaks in and of itself) I managed to start looking into the latest conspiracy theories, and got a bit off topic. Vox had an article on some crazy stuff.But tucked into the solidly anti-conspiracy-theory article was this (sort of) nugget: quote: Mockingbird? What is this you say? Here was article the the hyper link lead to: quote: (The 1977 Carl Bernstein RS piece can be found online) The CIA is always very relevant when Jerome Corsi is the subject. False news has always existed. Jerry Corsi is a right-wing type of guy, but he actually holds "left-wing" conspiracy theories such as the CIA killing JFK (which he says is a more important issue to him than anything) and the CIA being behind 9/11 2001. He just wrote a book that predicted Trump would be assassinated by the CIA due to his anti-war views. News Max has been promoting the book with mailers. Jerry Corsi has been the conspiracy theorist that always gets major media attention. 2004 He wrote the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth book, Unfit For Command, which got major media attention. 2008 He was interviewed extensively (on every network!), during the campaign, once his book on Obama came out late in the race. He attempted to make the case that Obama was a Marxist. 2012 (or 2013, I forget) The very day his book on Obama being foreign-born came out, Obama finally decided to present his birth certificate. Corsi, later that night, on Coast to Coast with George Noory, said he felt the newly released certificate was a forgery (though later arguments from Birthers centered around Hawaii supposedly having a looser policy on issuing birth certificates and one that would enable somebody foreign-born to get a Hawaiian birth certificate) My conclusion? My point? This attention toward Jerome Corsi will really bring the False News debate into high gear. And he is articulate (and actually a pretty nice guy), and he really does seem sincere though many feel he can't be seen as 100% honest (for his endless advocacy of multiple conspiracy theories). Perhaps the CIA should get attention when False News is a hot topic? Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 18262 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Did you mean Fake News, Trump's mantra? --Percy
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Stile Member Posts: 3372 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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I think False/Fake News exists. I think it's term has sort of been abused lately, though. News has it's own built-in method for detecting falsities. When news is inaccurate - people know about it. They complain and the news agency corrects it. Do some things slip through the cracks? Absolutely. Some by accident, some on purpose. So, what is the current day usage of "Fake News?" It's a term used by people who want to say-whatever-they-can in order to make whatever-point-they-want at the moment.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
I did a google search. (FAKE NEWS RUSSIA were the search words) The most recent hits in Google NEWS do seem to be Trump-ish leaning outlets. quote: But, if you skip down the VERY first of the first 100 hits, then it is more 50-50 in its pro/anti Trump RATIO. See this set of links a ways down. quote: It seems that the mainstream media is using the term to describe foreign intelligence operations. Thus my references to the United States intelligence agency (C.I.A.) as being guilty of starting such a "Fake News" type of paranoia was spot on.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
quote: Most consider the CIA to be a right-wing nationalistic organization. If you said the "CIA killed JFK" then you were promoting a left-wing conspiracy. A left-winger blames the right-wing folks. Those who said the government covered up a Castro and/or Soviet killing of Kennedy were said to be promoting a right-wing conspiracy theory. The right-wingers prefer this type of theory. However. The John Birch society is a right-wing type of a conspiracy promoting organization. When congressman Larry MacDonald (D-Mississippi) was killed in a South Korean airliner, by the Soviet Union's missile, then right-wing conspiracy theorists said that the congressman/John Birch Society president was killed by the deliberate targeting of the Soviets. MacDonald felt the CIA was packed with left-wingers, which was characteristic of the organization he led. The (John Foster and Alan) Dulles brothers were somehow guilty of "selling out the United States" to Communists according to the Birch Society. To everyone else, they are the total right-wingers they always were. The CIA promotes right-wing propaganda, but they infiltrate ANY outlet of influence. (John Birch Society member's beliefs aside)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Content hidden. Exact duplicate of previous message. - Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Content hidden. Exact duplicate of previous message. - Adminnemooseus
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Diomedes Member Posts: 799 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Misleading news is nothing new. As you indicated, it existed far before the modern era. (Ever read Pravda?) I think the reason it gets more traction now is social media. Because individuals have the ability to tailor their news sources to whatever fits their preconceived narrative, it is easier to pigeon hole individuals into only believing certain sources of news and discounting others as 'fake news'. Trump's favorite catch phrase. From my perspective, what bothers me is not necessarily outright 'fake' news, but the obvious bias various news outfits have when it comes to the types of stories they publish. It's no revelation that the Drudge Report leans heavily right and its equally obvious that the Huffington Post leans heavily left. The bias has also found its way into the 24 hr news channels which in my opinion are all garbage now. Fox News pushes the Republican agenda. MSBNC pushes the Democrat agenda. And CNN is essentially left leaning with a heavy emphasis on what I call 'disaster porn'. Hence their 'Breaking News!' ever five minutes methodology. What I try to do is focus on news sources that, while not perfect, at least give me the ability to review the information more dispassionately. BBC News from my perspective is pretty decent. It does lean left, but it has a world view including reporters in different geographic regions like Singapore. This gives different perspectives which I like. Bloomberg does that as well with offices in Hong Kong and Australia. And also, the PBS Newshour is still, in my opinion, a pretty well rounded news source. Nothing of course is perfect.
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Stile Member Posts: 3372 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Agreed.
Yes. Not even the "self-correcting" part I mentioned is fool-proof. I'm not sure how to develop a system that counteracts this problem.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Trump announced that he would pull out of Syria and (it seems) Afghanistan. The 2 governments have been telling him to get the heck out. Democrats (and the media) are throwing a fit. (I know they are because I got into an unpleasant argument with one, as I read Woodward's book Fear, which showed that Trump was arguing against his generals over their totally contrary policies on Afghanistan. He wanted out and said he opposed the war for "17 years", while they wanted to add troops. It was ironically just a day before the Syrian announcement) So: Trump says he wants to take all 2000 troops out of Syria. (Like the Syrian Arab Republic people want) Democrats are crying out loud. But: He FLAT OUT refused to take the 5,200 troops out of Iraq, like the Iraqi people (and government) want. (No Democrat is attacking Trump on Iraq) Democrats still seem to have something of a "white supremacy" mindset, like so many of the the party members always have had (Republicans have historically been way more pro immigration and anti-racism, on the eastern side of the U.S.A. anyway). Trump is actually going against the wishes of the government/people of Iraq, but seems to be moving into line with the Syrian and Afghanistan people's position. I object to his Iraqi position but am roughly approving his position on the other 2. But, then again, I am not a white supremacist. So I see things differently it seems. My views aren't being aired in the media stories I have read. Iraq isn't even mentioned in opinion pieces, but Syria and Afghanistan sure are. And the Asian/Middle Eastern people aren't getting any respect in the blather.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3877 Joined: |
The way to search for your older topics: 1) Use the forum's "Search" function found in the bar at the page top. 1) Leave "Search Termes" blank. 2) Select a Forum (in this case, "Coffee House", "All Open Forums" is the default). 3) Select "Thread Titles" ("Messages" is the default). 4) Enter your ID. 5) Hit "Search" button. Up to a limited number (all in your case), the "Coffee House" topics you started will display in chronological order. Adminnemooseus Or something like that©.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
(Sorry I can't offer my own worthless comments, as I am limited for time, but here are good articles) (Corsi just wrote a book talking about this investigation being a perjury trap) First: the Bombshell quote: Then, a superb article from just before the bombshell arrest this morning. The Washington Post has done some of the best journalism on this and other issues. quote: This is convoluted, and the issue seems to be based on inaccurate comments before congress and Mueller. Corsi says he simply could not remember everything exactly as it happened, and he did not lie. Edited by Admin, : Trying to track down the reason for the "question mark" characters. Substituted one character so I can look at it in the database.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 1367 Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Thanks for your thoughtful post though.
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