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Lammy
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Message 1 of 17 (848676)
02-13-2019 10:56 AM


Please help me I'm going insane... and we are currently on vacation in Cancun, Mexico.

My brain can't wrap around the concept of a higher physical dimension than our 3 dimensional world. I'm about to lose it. Please help me!


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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02-13-2019 12:01 PM
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This video does a pretty decent job of explaining the concept:


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02-13-2019 5:46 PM
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If you’re in Cancun, just try more tequila.
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02-13-2019 7:03 PM
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Two to three vs. three to four
It’s generally believed that we three dimensional critters can’t visualize or get an intuitive insight (“wrap our heads around”) a four dimensional world (at least while sober). But the best way to approach an understanding might be to go in the opposite direction and visualize life in a two dimension world. There are several good books that do this, such as The Planiverse: Computer Contact with a Two-Dimensional World by A. K. Dewdney. There is an earlier one, and maybe the best one whose name i remember as Mr. Thompson Visits Flatland or something like that. I can’t find any reference to that so I probably have the name wrong and perhaps someone on this blog has the right reference. By seeing how three dimensional beings view beings living in a two dimensional world, you might gain some insight into how a four dimension being might view things. The next step is to imagine living in a one dimensional world. You would only ever see two other beings, and one of them would be your mother. Social media would be very limited.
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02-14-2019 7:20 AM
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Re: Two to three vs. three to four
Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edwin Abbott

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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02-14-2019 11:00 AM
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Re: Two to three vs. three to four
Also The Planiverse by A. K. Dewdney

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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02-14-2019 11:05 AM
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02-13-2019 10:56 AM


go from simple to complex, first you have one point, then you have 2 points limiting a line, then you have 4 lines limiting a square, then you have 4 squares limiting a cube, so the next up would be 4 cubes limiting a wtf.

or imagine flatland where everything is 2D, then you as a god from the 3d dimension send a ball trough it. what would a 2d creature see. First a spot growing in to a circle and the circle would become a spot and vanish. If a 4 d being would do that to us and send a 4d ball trough we would see a point come from nothing growing in to a ball then shrinking down to a point and vanishing.

hope that helps.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 8 of 17 (848709)
02-14-2019 11:10 AM
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then you have 4 squares limiting a cube

Wouldn't that be 6 squares?


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Message 9 of 17 (848720)
02-14-2019 12:03 PM
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yea dit it of the top of my head, 6 squares for a cube 8 cubes for a wtf.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 10 of 17 (848725)
02-14-2019 12:43 PM
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tesseract

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Lammy
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Message 11 of 17 (848780)
02-14-2019 6:32 PM


Already read flatland.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

    
AZPaul3
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Message 12 of 17 (848788)
02-14-2019 7:40 PM
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Gesundheit.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 13 of 17 (848794)
02-15-2019 7:24 AM
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02-14-2019 12:03 PM


8 cubes for a wtf.

But a tesseract doesn't go anywhere that a cube hasn't already been. Dimensions are orthagonal to each other and after 3 there aren't any new ones left.


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Message 14 of 17 (848811)
02-15-2019 4:48 PM
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Isn't the 4d equivalent a hypercube? Or is that something else?

ABE: I should have looked at Wikipedia before posting. A hypercube is the arbitrary n-dimensional version.

Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.


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Message 15 of 17 (848814)
02-15-2019 6:29 PM
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02-15-2019 7:24 AM


dont the string,m,superstring... theories predict 10 dimensions +time, we just cant see them because we live in a 4d's persons flatland.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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