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Author | Topic: Why hasn't the FBI taken the 24 Republican Congressmen into custody? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Yesterday 24 Republican Members of the House committed acts of espionage and perhaps treason by forcing their way into an area from which they were barred under US House Rules.
The breaking was recorded and reported yet so far the FBI has not taken any actions against the offenders. Why are these people being treated differently than any other government employee who violated security and exposed US secrets?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
No one outside the chamber, especially the Executive Branch, has jurisdiction over violations of House rules. Only the House's disciplinary committees. Article 1, sec 5 & 6.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I can not even imagine if the tables were turned and the Dems did some crap like this. The GOP would be screaming treason!!!!
Edited by 1.61803, : add GOP"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh what House Rules might those be that exclude the participation of other House members from an inquiry into impeaching the President?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The one that said it was only open to members from specific oversight committees.
It's clear evidence that at least 24 Republican Congressmen are so ignorant they do not know their own rules or more likely, are simply beyond the realm of reality based decision making. They are Classic Trump material, deplorable. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Interesting you don't actually quote the rule.
However, no impeachment was ever conducted this way. We know why they are doing it this way, of course. The people they are interviewing are not saying what they want to hear, far from it, and they don't want that to get out. They are looking for someone who can say something against Trump they can run with. Since they are good at inventing such claims out of a few words they may be able to pull it off. But so far they had this guy Taylor whose testimony seemed promising but Ratcliff ripped that all to shreds.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Interesting you don't actually quote the rule.
interesting that you are unable to show where Judge Napolitano said something that was factually incorrect.
However, no impeachment was ever conducted this way.
and this one is, and is being held consistent with the rules.
We know why they are doing it this way, of course.
yes to prevent other witnesses from altering their testimony in response to previous witnesses. The grand jury portion of a trial is always held behind closed doors. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I know, you don’t. It’s because they are dealing with material that may be highly classified. Hence the House Intelligence Committee are conducting some interviews in a secure facility.
Message 3175 quote: It’s a bipartisan committee. Are you asserting that all of them - including the Republicans - are out to get Trump ? On what evidence?
quote: Oh, look Faith is trying to discredit the evidence by lying as usual.
quote: I very much doubt that. The evidence against Trump is pretty strong and all you do is try to pretend that it doesn’t exist.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If they had any real evidence they'd be leaking it. Not much leaking going on here.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: The evidence we have is pretty convincing.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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The people they are interviewing are not saying what they want to hear, far from it, and they don't want that to get out. Republicans on the oversight committees were part of the meeting invaded by their unauthorized colleagues. The closed nature of the meeting was because sensitive intelligence information pertaining to Ukraine operations was being reviewed by the committees. Ukraine, you may recall, is a focus of allegations the committees are investigating. Intelligence methods and operations are sensitive and not to be made public for obvious reasons. Those on the oversight committees have been vetted for security and have been approved for access to this level of sensitive intelligence information. Others have not been vetted. This wasn't some super secret Democrat conspiracy meeting on impeachment. It was a bipartisan information gathering meeting. The invasion of the meeting by unauthorized House Republicans was a publicity stunt that embarrassed the nation, the House and the authorized Republicans attending the meeting. But it played to the Trump faithful, like yourself, who don't care about the details only the appearance. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: We know why they are doing it this way, of course. The people they are interviewing are not saying what they want to hear, far from it, and they don't want that to get out. If that were so, Republicans would be leaking it. They aren't. Also, if they are going to use these witnesses in an impeachment trial in the Senate then the testimony will have to be public. Also, Democrats are going to have public testimony after the initial depositions, and they have even committed to releasing transcripts of the private testimony.
They are looking for someone who can say something against Trump they can run with. Since they are good at inventing such claims out of a few words they may be able to pull it off. But so far they had this guy Taylor whose testimony seemed promising but Ratcliff ripped that all to shreds. Thankfully, your fantasy world is going to have meet reality when the public phase of the inquiry starts.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 178 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
Republicans on House Intelligence Committee
Devin Nunes, California, Ranking MemberMike Conaway, Texas Mike Turner, Ohio Brad Wenstrup, Ohio Chris Stewart, Utah Rick Crawford, Arkansas Elise Stefanik, New York Will Hurd, Texas John Ratcliffe, Texas Remember Devin Nunes? He’s Trump’s nanny cam into all house proceedings!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
As AnswersInGenitals points out in Message 14, there are Republicans in the House Intelligence Committee, eight of them (and he lists them). So why haven't they leaked anything yet? In addition there are another 17 Republicans in the House Judicial Committee (one Republican, John Ratcliffe of Texas, is in both committees). There are also many Republicans in the other House committees, such as the House Oversight Committee.
Those Republicans in those committees have been present for closed-door hearings and have been able to hear all testimony delivered plus they had the same access to the witnesses for questioning as the Democrat members had. Therefore, all the Republican complaints that the Democrats are locking them out and keeping that evidence and testimony secret from them are nothing more than outright lyes! If [the Democrats] had any real evidence they'd be leaking it. Not much leaking going on here. This subtopic title bears repeating and real consideration. The Republican committee members, having full access to all that testimony and evidence, are very oddly quiet. If there were any actual problems with the witnesses, evidence, or testimony (not having "any real evidence" as you put it), then we should have heard leaks about it from those Republican members. Nothing. If there were any evidence that would exonerate Trump in any manner, then they should have leaked that as well. Nothing. In the corridor, reporters have repeatedly asked the Republican members for comment about the testimonies (something that they have been very free with in the past as they would complain loudly in defense of Trump). Nothing. The Democrats have no need to leak anything, because they are collecting evidence (we are in that phase of the proceedings). The Republicans have every need to leak, yet they don't, not a peep. Now, why would that be? Because the evidence is so clearly damning that there is no way the Republicans could possibly spin it in their favor? And please note how AnswersInGenitals pointed out that Devin Nunes is on the House Intelligence Committee. Devin Nunes! You know, the same guy who made all those midnight visits to the White House to leak committee information to Trump. Devin Nunes leaks like a sieve with a huge hole in it! And we're not even getting any leaks from him! Since they can find no support from the evidence, the Republicans have to resort to attacking the process as well as deflecting and diverting public attention. They're like creationists in that if they had any good arguments to present then they would, but they don't so all they have to present are really bad arguments and outright lyes. At present we are in the investigative phase in which evidence and testimony is gathered. The main reason for doing that behind closed doors is the same as for a Grand Jury:
I find that last one to ring particularly true. The description given of Republicans in these committees is that they are all business-like as they perform their committee duties in a professional manner -- basically what we would want to expect of our congressmen. But get them in a public hearing in front of the cameras and they go batshit. In all the public hearings that I've seen in this administration, the Democrats would direct their questions to the witness to the subject matter being testified about, whereas it seems that every single Republican would grand-stand with complaints about the process, etc, which matched the administrations BS lyes to the letter. IOW, all the Republicans would do would be to play their audience-of-one, Trump, to demonstrate their personal loyalty to him and the country be damned.
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