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Message 1 of 308 (866363)
11-10-2019 11:03 AM


Prager's Original Article
Phat suggested the following piece by Dennis Prager might be the basis of a new thread so since nobody else had posted it yet I thought I would. At first the title didn't sound valid, but then I read it and now think it gets at the white-*** center of what is wrong in America today, how the ****, the ******* ****, is acting just **** its models in Marxism, *********, and *********, using ************ tactics against ordinary people to shut them up and drive them out of the ****** square, which is causing conservatives to *** low for fear of what they will do to them. I recently posted an example of this in the accusations against Sebastian Gorka and his daughter in Message 3372 on the Right Side of the News thread.

But I think Prager nails it:

By Dennis Prager

The dominant force in America and many other Western countries today is fear of the ****.

This is a result of the fact that the most dynamic religion of the past 100 years has been neither Christianity nor Islam. It has been *******. Whoever does not recognize this does not understand the contemporary world.

******* — in its incarnations, such as Marxism, ********* and *********; expressed through egalitarianism, environmentalism and feminism; in its denigration of capitalism and Western civilization, especially America and Israel; in its supplanting of Christianity and Judaism; through its influence on Christianity and Judaism; in its celebration of race; and in its replacing of reason with romanticism — has almost completely taken over the news and entertainment media and institutions of education.

There is a largely (though not entirely) nonviolent reign of ideological terror in America. In almost every area of ****, people fear antagonizing the ****.

Last week, before my speech at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a man employed by the university (I will not say in what department) walked over to me, looked around to see whether anyone was watching and whispered in my ear, “I’m a conservative.”

This happens just about everywhere I speak. People whisper — yes, whisper — that they are conservative or they support Trump. The last time I experienced people looking around to check whether they were seen speaking to me was with dissidents in the Soviet Union.

People call my radio show from all over the country to say that their fellow musicians, nurses, teachers or employees do not know that they are conservative, let alone that they support the president.

I have called contemporary conservatives in America Marranos, the name given during the 15th-century Spanish Inquisition to Jews who hid their Judaism while appearing to be Catholics, lest they be persecuted. I do not compare the consequences: Losing one’s friends or employment is not the same as losing one’s home or one’s ****. But otherwise, the label is apt.

Because of my widely covered conducting of the Santa Monica Symphony Orchestra at the Walt Disney Concert Hall last summer, members of some of the most prestigious orchestras in America have opened up to me, telling me they are conservative but would never reveal this fact to their fellow musicians. They fear either losing their position or, more ******, being ******** ostracized.

Why are so many Democrats shocked when a Republican is elected president? Because, as they themselves say, they “don’t know anyone” who voted for the Republican. The primary reason for this is the people in their **** who voted for Donald Trump — professional colleagues, and even friends and relatives — are afraid to tell them.
There are two reasons the **** labels most conservatives and all Trump supporters “white supremacists,” “neo-Nazis” and “racists.” One is to defeat conservatives without having to defeat conservative ideas. The other is to instill fear: Speak out and you will suffer the consequences.

Parents call my radio show and ask what they should tell their children at college when they ask whether they should risk receiving a lower grade for divulging their conservative politics in a paper or on an exam.

It is becoming more and more common for ******* mobs to gather in front of a conservative’s home, ****** epithets at the conservative’s family members and vandalize the home. Just last week, the Associated Press reported: “Protesters are targeting the northern Virginia home of the National Rifle Association’s top lobbyist … Chris Cox … as well as his wife’s nearby decorating business. … Libby Locke, a lawyer for the Cox family, said the vandalism included spraying fake blood and defacing the home with stickers.”

****-wing student mobs routinely take over the offices of university deans, professors and even presidents. The few non-****-wing professors on any campus understand their ***** will be made ********* if they speak out. The widely reported case of ******* biology professor Bret Weinstein at Evergreen State College in Washington is directly on point.

In May 2017, professor Weinstein was surrounded by about 50 ****-wing students, who screamed curses at him outside of his classroom for refusing to participate in an event during which white people were asked to leave the campus for a day.

On May 24, 2017, Weinstein tweeted: “the police told me I am not safe on campus. They can not protect me.”

Within a few months, ****-wing students and the ****-wing Evergreen administration made **** so ********* for the ******** ******* professor he **** the university.

Since the **** began spreading the *** that a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, shot a black youth because he, **** most police officers, is a racist, police officers in many cities have feared taking proactive measures to prevent violent crime in black neighborhoods. They fear the ****-wing mob known as the news media will ruin their reputation and end their career.

In the recent case of a Philadelphia Starbucks manager who asked two black men to purchase something before giving them the code to the restroom, Starbucks immediately appeased the ****-wing mob. The company didn’t wait until any facts came out; it simply abandoned the manager and announced it would close every U.S. store one day in May to educate all Starbucks employees about “unconscious bias.”

These are only a few examples of the ****-wing ************ that dominates much of American ****.

It does so in large measure because ******** are either too afraid to confront the **** or they don’t understand that the American ****, not the American right, is the mortal enemy of **********.

This column was originally posted on Townhall.com.

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Message 2 of 308 (866364)
11-10-2019 11:34 AM
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Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
For those wishing to move past Faith's asterisks, the topic can be found here. Faith, I suggest editing your opening post and simply responding to Prager's article. let the participants read it without trying to guess all of your asterisks. I mentioned your comment about removing your restrictions to Percy. It is his call.

Participants at EvC do have a History of talking past each other in these types of threads. They will ask you to provide evidence, and if you refuse to engage them at that level demand, they will point out what they perceive as your dishonesty. So before considering this topic for promotion, I will ask our Forum at large: Shall we promote this topic? Why or why not? (This response is a trial run which will determine whether the issue has merit and support.)

I will open the topic to this specific line of questions.

  • Is Prager correct in his assessment? Why or why not.

  • Is Leftism a type of religion or ideology? Provide supporting quotes from others. Don't argue your position without at least quoting support.

    We recently closed Conservative Racism due to improper Forum Etiquette.

  • Please argue the position and don't get personal with each other.

    Some would argue that Right-Wing Populism is as much of a threat to global culture as is Leftism. If anyone wishes to discuss this assertion, please provide quotes from the sources that either support or challenge the claims of your opponent. Keep this one professional and don't attack each other, or it will be shut down. (or one of you will get suspended)

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    Message 3 of 308 (866366)
    11-10-2019 11:41 AM


    Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
    Thread copied here from the Fear of the **** the driving force in the west today thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

      
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    Message 4 of 308 (866373)
    11-10-2019 12:31 PM
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    Re: ********* Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
    I have no control over the asterisks, Phat, Percy put them there and he objects when I use misspellings to get around them..

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    Message 5 of 308 (866379)
    11-10-2019 2:03 PM
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    Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
    Mr Prager hasn’t been out here in West Texas much. I know lots of people who are afraid to admit that they are Democrats out here - afraid to be ostracized, afraid they’ll get fired from their jobs. They might whisper to me (the local Democratic County Chairman) that they voted for Obama or for Beto, but they don’t want it publicized.

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    Message 6 of 308 (866381)
    11-10-2019 2:10 PM
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    An anecdote
    I remember hearing a woman interviewed on CBC radio a few years ago (she has since died).
    She said something like ( about a town in West TX):
    Gays don't want to come out of the closet here because they are afraid folks will think they are democrats.

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    Message 7 of 308 (866382)
    11-10-2019 2:16 PM
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    Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
    ... At first the title didn't sound valid, but then I read it and now think it gets at the whitehot center of what is wrong in America today, how the Left, the Liberal Left, is acting just like its models in Marxism, Communism and Socialism, using intimidation tactics againt ordinary people to shut them up and drive them out of the public square, which is causing conservatives to lie low for fear of what they will do to them. ...

    Could you actually substantiate any of this codswallop?

    But I think Prager nails it:

    By Dennis Prager

    The dominant force in America and many other Western countries today is fear of the left.

    This is a result of the fact that the most dynamic religion of the past 100 years has been neither Christianity nor Islam. It has been leftism. Whoever does not recognize this does not understand the contemporary world.

    I am always amused when people think the ultimate insult is to call liberal thinking religious.

    Doesn't that imply that all religions are bad and need to be hated? LOL.

    ... using intimidation tactics againt ordinary people to shut them up and drive them out of the public square, which is causing conservatives to lie low for fear of what they will do to them. ...

    Curiously I have seen just the opposite.

    Obviously this broad paint brush pile of hate and innuendo will appeal to people that feel that liberals need to even more intimidated on radio, in print, and on tv.

    Enjoy


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    Message 8 of 308 (866383)
    11-10-2019 2:19 PM
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    Re: An anecdote
    Gays don't want to come out of the closet here because they are afraid folks will think they are democrats.

    And when I lived in Mississippi I was asked:

    "So, are you catholic, protestant ... or democrat?"

    Yeah, conservatives really need to hide so they won't be subject to hate ...

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    Message 9 of 308 (866384)
    11-10-2019 2:20 PM
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    The Right is obviously promoting fear of the Left and using it as a weapon. Note how everyone from the centre to the far left is lumped together. But if we did that with the Right there would be bowls of outrage. Because the Right is worse. How would Faith like to be lumped with the Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooter ? (Who she did try to label as a Leftist!)

    Indeed there is a lot of harassment, including death threats from the Right. Need we mention Gamergate or Comicsgate or the insane conspiracy theory of Pizzagate - which lead to a man invading a pizza parlour with an assault rifle, looking for an imaginary cellar. Indeed a lot of the trouble the Right faces on social media is due to the fact that too many of them are just plain awful. (See 8chan for a terrible example)

    We’ve already seen that Hyroglyphix unable to find a label for people who would be mainstream leftists in Western Europe, because Centrists are being called Communists and labelled as extreme.

    And of course much of this is an attempt to cover up the nastier realities of the Right. Whatever Trump believes he has pandered to and appealed to racists. There is no doubt that Laura Ingraham’s complaints about “demographic changes” are all about race. Honest people would admit this. Instead we get told that the accusations are false in spite of the evidence. “Crying wolf” is not a tactic that indicates a genuine concern.

    So yes, generalised fear of the left is a problem - a problem created by the Right, by people like Dennis Prager.


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    Message 10 of 308 (866385)
    11-10-2019 2:27 PM
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    fear of the left is a bunch of malarkey
    I have no control over the asterisks, ...

    Your control, dear Faith, is through your choice to either use polite civil language rather than to indulge in your usual rant descending into ad hominems and mischaracterization of people, instead of dealing with the issues.

    It is a choice you make every time you post.

    Enjoy

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    Message 11 of 308 (866391)
    11-10-2019 3:12 PM
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    Prager is a racist, homophobic, islamophobic and a misogynist
    We can let the vile racist, homophobe, islamophobe and misogynist speak for himself. That you support and push these vile beliefs speaks volumes. You cannot claim you are not a racist, homophobes and misogynist if you support his beliefs and donnies.

    Pragerisms

    quote:
    “OK, so here’s my question to you, this theoretical black or Hispanic woman who is now employed: What is more important to you? A president whom you think loves Hispanics and blacks, but you’re unemployed? Or a president you think doesn’t like Hispanics and blacks, but you have a job? What would you prefer if you were given that choice? If you are normal, and I’m sorry to use that term, if you’re normal, you would far prefer to have the job and have a president who you think didn’t like you.”

    Claimed he was happier the night Trump was elected, than when his children were born.

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/people/dennis-prager/

    quote:
    “Many many young men don’t know what it means to be masculine, because feminism and the left have crapped on masculinity. Sorry for the language, but I can’t think of any verb that does it justice. That’s what they have done,” Prager declared. “In fact, toxic masculinity for the left is redundant. All masculinity is toxic. So I think a certain number of men, young men, have only one way of saying, ‘Hello, I’m not a female,’ and that is to grow a beard.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/...inism-has-crapped-on-masculinity
    quote:
    Pundit Dennis Prager—now known for his Prager U propaganda videos—argued back then that Ellison should not be allowed to use a Quran rather than a Bible for his ceremonial swearing-in. Prager wrote that anyone who is not willing to take an oath on the Bible should not serve in Congress. (When Prager got pushback, he portrayed himself as the victim of “hate-filled attacks,” denying that he was endorsing any kind of religious test for public office.)

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/...g-muslims-unites-the-right

    quote:
    Women have to overcome the power of their emotions and their chronic malcontentedness in order to mature into good women.

    https://www.wnd.com/...omen-malcontents/#Ldg8Jjy11VePLvqy.99

    quote:
    Prager is notable for having a history of being extremely homophobic despite denying it every ten seconds in his articles and radio show. He has claimed that the legalization of gay marriage is a greater threat to America than economic depression.[8] He claims that this is because legalizing gay marriage will redefine the concept of "gender itself". He is credited with writing the 1993 essay Judaism's Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism rejected Homosexuality in which he writes,[9] well, we'll let the man speak for himself:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager#Gay_marriage

    All this information is sourced with links. If you want to listen to and show respect to this vile piece of shit, that is your choice. This just goes to show that you are as much of a racist, homophobic, Islamophobic misogynist as he is.

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    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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    Message 12 of 308 (866393)
    11-10-2019 3:37 PM
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    Re: fear of the **** is a bunch of malarkey
    If you have peeked at the asterisked words, then tell me which of them are not polite and civil.

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    Message 13 of 308 (866395)
    11-10-2019 4:04 PM
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    Re: Nice **** piece hit job on liberalism
    .. At first the title didn't sound valid, but then I read it and now think it gets at the whitehot center of what is wrong in America today, how the ****, the Liberal ****, is acting just **** its models in Marxism, Communism and *********, using intimidation tactics against ordinary people to shut them up and drive them out of the public square, which is causing conservatives to *** low for fear of what they will do to them. …

    Could you actually substantiate any of this codswallop?

    I thought Prager did a pretty good job of showing some of the threats. I'd add the beating up of a guy right after the election because he'd voted for Trump; the hounding of Republicans out of restaurants; the intimidation and accusation of racism of the kid wearing the MAGA hat minding his own business after a pro **** event; the physical violence by Antifa on campuses when conservatives are scheduled to speak. I did mention the *********** of Sebastian Gorka and his daughter, calling him a Nazi yet, someone who had lived under Nazism and finally was able to escape from it.

    If you mean being intimidated into silence, well yes that's everywhere, Prager notes some of it. I'd be afraid to wear a MAGA hat in public, a lot of people are.

    I am always amused when people think the ultimate insult is to call liberal thinking religious.
    Doesn't that imply that all religions are bad and need to be *****? LOL.

    Seems to me just to say it's not a ******** position, it's based on belief or feeling. I thought it interesting that Prager called the **** romanticism, wish he'd expanded on that.

    Obviously this broad paint brush pile of **** and ******** will appeal to people that feel that liberals need to even more intimidated on radio, in print, and on tv.

    Liberals aren't intimidated anywhere, they are in-your-face in the street, on the campus, certainly in print and on TV, what on earth are you talking about.

    Well, Prager was right on but of course nobody here is going to notice.

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    11-10-2019 4:08 PM
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    Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
    Please explain how Sebastian Gorka (b 1970) could have “lived under Naziism and finally was able to escape from it”

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    Message 15 of 308 (866397)
    11-10-2019 4:09 PM
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    Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
    Not just Alternative Facts but Alternative Reality as expected.

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