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Hyroglyphx
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Message 1 of 19 (866540)
11-12-2019 2:20 PM


In another thread, which I really don't even need to link to because you'll know the one, Faith and I had the discussion that neither she nor I are particularly liked on the forum.

Most of the people at EvC are left-leaning. Because of this, there are certain beliefs that are generally more accepted than others. Let me categorically state that there is nothing inherently wrong with it. I expect a certain amount of echo within the chamber. But to the degree that it exists, in my opinion, creates an atmosphere where the rightness of a position is measured within likes. And some people advance their positions better than others.

RAZD is a big time lefty, but he's very measured, very articulate, a gentleman, and is always prepared to back up his assertions with hard data. Dude is a rockstar and he's generally been cool with me even when we disagree on some points. I respect him. Mod, same story. He and I have been embroiled in some heated debates but he's always been fair while vociferously arguing a point. Moose has always been a square-dealer with me. He and I both love cats, so there's that too! Percy and I used to have a lot more constructive dialogue in the past, even when I was much farther to the Right in those days... which is kind of ironic. I think both of our tolerance for bullshit has diminished and we're more disinclined to shy away from being abrasive to get a point across. But I've generally thought kindly of him... not sure how reciprocal it is, but, it is what it is.

But then there's others who follow the same political vain but seem to have no compunction with flat out making things up just to sling shit around the room. Its not done for the purposes of trolling but rather for spite. They are prone to great exaggeration when describing me or a position I hold in an effort to paint me in the most unflattering light as humanly possible. Let your imagination run wild with who might fall into that category.

Over the years I myself have shifted more to the Left when compared to my former self. As you might recall, I objected to homosexuality in the past based upon my religious beliefs at the time. I recognized my own homophobia and I tried to apologize for those beliefs that I'm a little embarrassed to have had. Its not easy to publicly admit being wrong, but I've done that because I think, for all of my faults, that I believe in fairness and I believe the truth is always more important than ego.

And while I have shifted towards the left, especially on social issues, I have still retained some right-leaning positions. I've been very vocal about those issues and I make no apology for it. Throughout my tenure, I think I have always been the kind of person who genuinely and honestly tells you all what I am thinking and give you reasons for it.

But there has been a concerted campaign to malign me as "Alt-Right." I don't feel Alt-Right, I don't like the idea of being thought of as Alt-Right, and I don't agree with most of the tenets or aims of the Alt-Right. Now, naturally because I have retained some right-leaning beliefs, there will be some overlap. But then isn't there overlap between a modern-day Progressive and Stalinists? That doesn't mean you are a de facto Stalinist.

My point is, if I've never been the sort to shy away from saying controversial things, why do you think I'm lying about it now? If I was actually Alt-Right, why don't you think I wouldn't revel in it? I think part of the problem is that everyone has shifted to the left... the modern-day Left, in my estimation, has really gone off the reserve. But I digress...

If you believe that I am Alt-Right, an asshole, or whatever, I'm curious to know why. I would also like to clearly articulate why I hold certain beliefs that are often misconstrued if you will allow it.

At the conclusion of this topic, I'm gonna leave EvC for awhile... maybe forever. Haven't decided. But I'd like this last hoorah to be productive, if it is possible. I will try to be on my best behavior.

Cheers.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 2 of 19 (866565)
11-12-2019 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 2:20 PM


I hope you get some good conversation going here. I still don't even really know what the "alt-reich" is but the word "reich" tells me it's just a piece of ******* propaganda. I'm so sick of the ******* **** at this place (which lately seems to be embodied in Percy's ******* and partisan **********) I wish I had the strength to leave it as you say you plan to do.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3 of 19 (866567)
11-12-2019 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
11-12-2019 3:31 PM


I still don't even really know what the "alt-reich" is but the word "reich" tells me it's just a piece of ******* propaganda.

The Alt-Right was a term popularized by an avowed white supremacist, Richard Spencer, and has taken root in many parts of the US. It was an attempt to rebrand the Republican Party by shaking off the social mores of the Religious Right (think Jerry Falwell) to become a hipper, less religious, more overtly racist wing of the Republican establishment.

The "Reich" part is a play on words since Reich is associated with Nazi's.

I'm so sick of the ******* **** at this place I wish I had the strength to leave it as you say you plan to do.

Eh, I don't really come here much anyway... I just use it to kill time here and there. So leaving it really wouldn't be too much of a loss. And I may stay but just come on less. Either way, its been a shell of its former self the infamous Night of Broken Glass.

I would say that if you're not being "fed" here then you're just languishing in a toxic environment. Maybe just go on hiatus... Recollect yourself and evaluate what's actually important in your life and what should be excised.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 4 of 19 (866570)
11-12-2019 4:18 PM
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11-12-2019 3:47 PM


I'm addicted to the "conversation," the back-and-forth, on topics that interest me, which I don't find anywhere else, even though here it is toxic as you say.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 5 of 19 (866586)
11-12-2019 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
11-12-2019 4:18 PM


I'm addicted to the "conversation," the back-and-forth, on topics that interest me, which I don't find anywhere else, even though here it is toxic as you say.

Well, I'm glad that you're able to recognize that in yourself but surely this place is taking years off your life. Debate is like anything else, I suppose. In lower levels its healthy and productive to vigorously debate. Sometimes we teach lessons to others and sometimes we are taught lessons by others. But surely there is a point of diminishing returns... if you're consumed by a need to excoriate others, I dare say the line has probably been crossed.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : typos


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 6 of 19 (866587)
11-12-2019 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 7:53 PM


Oh don't give me the condescending ******** lecture. I only occasionally get the consuming need as it were to excoriate anybody. I've been pretty good I thought, but Percy has been on my case for no good reason and one of my worst enemies here wrote a whole post about me that I could have done without, which should have earned him a suspension but it won't. No, I'll be the one to get the punishment, more words removed from my vocabulary until I can't say anything at all I guess, for reacting to **** **** that. And I DO NOT need your lecture. Leave me alone. Oh and now, wait for it, there will be a barrage of putdowns against me. Here it comes.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 7 of 19 (866588)
11-12-2019 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 2:20 PM


You want to know who people think you are? What you do and say defines who you are.

Most people think what they've done and said is fine, and telling them different almost never works. They have to find their own way. Come back in six months, read through some of your recent threads, and see if you see them in a different light, including the post I'm replying to where under the guise of soul searching you pretty much took shots at almost everyone here.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 8 of 19 (866589)
11-12-2019 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
11-12-2019 8:09 PM


I thought that was aimed at me, but no, poor Hyro. Nobody gets to say anything against EvC, no matter how true.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 9 of 19 (866591)
11-12-2019 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
11-12-2019 8:08 PM


Oh don't give me the condescending ******** lecture. I only occasionally get the consuming need as it were to excoriate anybody. I've been pretty good I thought, but Percy has been on my case for no good reason and one of my worst enemies here wrote a whole post about me that I could have done without, which should have earned him a suspension but it won't. No, I'll be the one to get the punishment, more words removed from my vocabulary until I can't say anything at all I guess, for reacting to **** **** that. And I DO NOT need your lecture. Leave me alone. Oh and now, wait for it, there will be a barrage of putdowns against me. Here it comes.

Faith, I think you quite misunderstand what I meant. I was just trying to be helpful for your best interests. I was not attempting to be condescending. What I meant to say is that I hope you are able to find peace and that maybe this place isn't good for fostering that peace. You are certainly free to do as you please, it was just a suggestion. I'd like to leave this place with a little understanding and a little less resentment. No hard feelings...


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 10 of 19 (866593)
11-12-2019 8:34 PM
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11-12-2019 8:09 PM


You want to know who people think you are? What you do and say defines who you are.

I'm asking if your perception of me is as pernicious as it has been interpreted by me.

Most people think what they've done and said is fine, and telling them different almost never works. They have to find their own way. Come back in six months, read through some of your recent threads, and see if you see them in a different light

Yeah, I might do just that.

under the guise of soul searching you pretty much took shots at almost everyone here

I didn't take shots at anyone in particular; I was speaking in generalities. If I mentioned anyone specifically, it was to publicly praise them. I mentioned the reality that I take shots every time I come here. I was trying to provide context for what I believe to be the reason for the disconnect -- most notably that most residents here seem to be in ideological agreement, whereas I differ.... sometimes slightly, sometimes wildly.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : typos


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Percy
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Message 11 of 19 (866597)
11-12-2019 8:52 PM
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11-12-2019 8:34 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:

You want to know who people think you are? What you do and say defines who you are.

I'm asking if your perception of me is as pernicious as it has been interpreted by me.

Here's a fine book with some good advice: "What Do You Care What Other People Think?": Further Adventures of a Curious Character by Richard Fernman

Be true to yourself and let the amount of friction provide your answers, then rinse and repeat.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Improve URL.


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Message 12 of 19 (866600)
11-12-2019 9:42 PM
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11-12-2019 2:20 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:

... Faith and I had the discussion that neither she nor I are particularly liked on the forum.


I like Faith. I used to know a girl named Faith and I always think of her when I'm dealing with Faith.

You, on the other hand, are hardly on my radar at all.


"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Thugpreacha
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Message 13 of 19 (866601)
11-12-2019 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 2:20 PM


EvC May Evolve,But Not Always Creatively
I had my eye operation today, and here i am with one good eye pecking at the keys to respond to another EvC post. Ive never thought of leaving for good--more likely I just try and make myself take breaks so as to counteract the social media addiction that is fed here. So I ask myself what I like about EvC. Let me count the ways.
  • Percys format and ease of use make this forum software second to none. (Note that I've seen come anywhere close) Tweets just don't do it for me. I think that I and others here are old fashioned in that regard.
  • Familiarity. No member is indispensable and no matter who leaves, it won't change a thing. My advice? Take some time for yourself---go and do something productive, and have a good life. Stop by home once in a while and fight it out with the family for a week or so, then leave again. And again.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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    Message 14 of 19 (866602)
    11-12-2019 10:20 PM
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    Re: EvC May Evolve,But Not Always Creatively
    I had my eye operation today

    Hey, Cyclops, you doing ok? Need some ninja proteins for the healing? I got plenty if you need them.


    Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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    Message 15 of 19 (866629)
    11-13-2019 12:29 PM
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    11-12-2019 2:20 PM


    I think part of what's going on is an extreme polarisation of political discourse in the US (at least, online. No one talks to me about politics when I'm there in person). On other forums I visit too, it seems that anyone critical of Trump is classed as a 'Leftist' - by which seems to be meant something more akin to 'Satanic Nazi paedophile' than 'supporter of left-wing political ideals. Conversely, anyone who is insufficiently critical of Trump is considered a closet white nationalist.

    This sort of thing has always happened, of course, but it does seem much more prevalent to me. Not sure how accurate that perception is.

    Secondly, I get the impression there's a lot more maligning in general at EvC these days. I was reading through some posts from back in the day a while ago; and came across an exchange in which a poster suggested another was a liar. This brought rapid moderator warning and an apology. I think things would be improved if we went back to a much more strict interpretation of the 'Argue the position, not the person' rule; but just my opinion. It's not like I would have the patience or time to actually do the moderating.


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