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Message 1 of 43 (867692)
12-01-2019 1:31 PM


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Mueller Report Download Options

Download the Full Original PDF

The original report is published at https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf.

It is 448 pages, 139mb and contains both volumes, all as images(Not searchable).

Download Individual Chapters

We have split and re-merged each chapter individually for convenience.

This is great for mobile devices and users who want to focus on a small piece of the total report.

Volume I
  • Russian Active Measures Social Media Campaign
    • Structure of the Internet Research Agency [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Funding and Oversight from Concord and Prigozhin [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The IRA Targets U.S. Elections [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Russian Hacking and Dumping Operations
    • GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Dissemination of the Hacked Materials [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Additional GRU Cyber Operations [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Trump Campaign and the Dissemination of Hacked Materials [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Russian Government Links to and Contacts With the Trump Campaign
    • Campaign Period [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Post-Election and Transition-Period Contacts [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Prosecution and Declination Decisions
    • Russian "Active Measures" Social Media Campaign [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Russian Hacking and Dumping Operations [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Russian Government Outreach and Contacts [ View Online] [ Download]

Volume II
  • Background Legal and Evidentiary Principles
    • Legal Framework of Obstruction of Justice [ View Online] [ Download]
      Investigative and Evidentiary Considerations [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Factual Results of the Obstruction Investigation
    • The Campaign's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBI's Russia Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Directory Comey [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Efforts to Prevent Disclosure of Emails About the June 9, 2016 Meeting Between Russians and Senior Campaign Officials [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort, [ View Online] [ Download]
    • The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Overarching Factual Issues [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Legal Defenses to the Application of the Obstruction-of-Justice Statues to the President
    • Statutory Defenses to the Application of Obstruction-of-Justice Provisions to the Conduct Under Investigation [ View Online] [ Download]
    • Constitutional Defenses to Applying Obstruction-of-Justice Statutes to Presidential Conduct [ View Online] [ Download]
  • Conclusion

Note: Each Chapter and subchapter can be individually downloaded or viewed online if you go to the volume links.

Facts, not conspiracy theory fantasy pushed by GOP apologists and deniers.

Read them, heed them, as you wish, but don't ignore them or dismiss them or you lose the argument.

Enjoy

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Message 3 of 43 (867741)
12-02-2019 2:03 PM
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the conclusion
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IV. CONCLUSION

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same- time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Mueller Report Page 394 of 448

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Message 4 of 43 (867743)
12-02-2019 2:32 PM
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Re: the conclusion
That is a bunch of weasel words with no legal standing whatever. They were unable to prove obstruction of justice (or any involvement with Russia to affect the election) and what that means legally is that he is not guilty and what THAT means in plain English is that he is exonerated.

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Message 5 of 43 (867744)
12-02-2019 2:54 PM
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12-02-2019 2:32 PM


Re: the conclusion
They were unable to prove obstruction of justice

nope they were unable to charge him with obstruction of justice.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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Message 6 of 43 (867745)
12-02-2019 3:00 PM
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12-02-2019 2:54 PM


Re: the conclusion
Don't you get disgusted with all those weasel words they pile one on top of another?

If they can't charge him, THEN HE'S NOT GUILTY AND IF HE'S NOT GUILTY THEN HE'S EXONERATED.


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Message 7 of 43 (867746)
12-02-2019 3:07 PM
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12-02-2019 3:00 PM


Re: the conclusion
quote:
Don't you get disgusted with all those weasel words they pile one on top of another?

It’s not Mueller that is weaselling.

quote:
If they can't charge him, THEN HE'S NOT GUILTY AND IF HE'S NOT GUILTY THEN HE'S EXONERATED.

Trump can’t be charged because he’s President. That doesn’t mean that he isn’t guilty or that he has been exonerated. It means that he can’t be charged even if he is obviously guilty.


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Message 8 of 43 (867747)
12-02-2019 3:38 PM
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12-02-2019 3:00 PM


Re: the conclusion
THEN HE'S NOT GUILTY AND IF HE'S NOT GUILTY THEN HE'S EXONERATED.

nope a "not guilty" comes at the end of a trial, yes there is a presumption of innocence but that is not the same as exonerated. Exonerated = charged and found not guilty, he was never charged. This isn't a black and white situation, not charging someone with a crime is not the same thing as someone being innocent of said crime

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 9 of 43 (867750)
12-02-2019 5:00 PM
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12-02-2019 3:38 PM


Re: the conclusion
Weasel words galore. This is contrary to any other legal/judicial proceeding ever done in the US, trying to pretend he's still guilty wh4en you have nothing at all to prove it, nothing at all to charge him with. It's all a big fake. Not charging him IS finding him innocent. They didn't have the evidence to charge him, it's over, he's exonerated. I guess if enough of those who hate him just keep saying it over and over it will become true anyway though, won't it?

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Message 10 of 43 (867751)
12-02-2019 5:14 PM
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Re: the conclusion
If what you say is true there was never any reason for an investigation at all since the whole point would have been to find something to charge him with or find nothing. Starr found crimes to charge Clinton with. That's the normal outcome of such an investigation. Or finding nothing. In Trump's case nothing was found, he's innocent, he's not guilty, he's exonerated, there is nothing to charge him with, it's only wishful thinking that keeps this charade alive.

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Message 11 of 43 (867752)
12-02-2019 5:22 PM
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Re: the conclusion
quote:
If what you say is true there was never any reason for an investigation at all since the whole point would have been to find something to charge him with or find nothing.

No, the point wat to gather evidence for the House, so they could decide whether to start impeachment proceedings. The House decided not to, but that’s because the obstruction was largely unsuccessful and because the House needed a really strong case to get past the Senate.

quote:
Starr found crimes to charge Clinton with.

Clinton was impeached, not prosecuted. And his offences were not deemed serious enough to remove him from office. You make my point. Even then Starr hounded Clinton to an extent well beyond anything Mueller did.

quote:
. In Trump's case nothing was found, he's innocent, he's not guilty, he's exonerated, there is nothing to charge him with, it's only wishful thinking that keeps this charade alive.

Outright falsehoods as usual.


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Message 12 of 43 (867756)
12-02-2019 5:55 PM
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Re: the conclusion
Insufficient evidence to charge is not exoneration. Not allowed to charge slam-dunk cases because of administrative policy is not exoneration.

I note you cannot address the substance of the replies, just vomiting up the same bushwah. Oh, well, that's what we expect from Trumpistas.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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12-02-2019 5:57 PM
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Re: the conclusion
House needed a really strong case to get past the Senate.

No case could be strong enough to pass Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey.

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Message 14 of 43 (867758)
12-02-2019 6:03 PM
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12-02-2019 5:00 PM


Re: the conclusion
Not charging him IS finding him innocent.

no not charging is not charging. He has the presumption of innocence seeing as he hasn't gone through a trial, but is not the same thing as exoneration.

This is contrary to any other legal/judicial proceeding ever done in the US, trying to pretend he's still guilty

not charged is not the same as not guilty Faith. I will fully admit that he hasn't been convicted of any crimes related to the russia investigation, but that's not the same thing as being found innocent of any crimes related to the russia investigation as the case never went to trial. Under your theory of "no charges = innocent" then all the uncaught murderers out there are actually innocent of their crimes.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 15 of 43 (867760)
12-02-2019 6:05 PM
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12-02-2019 5:14 PM


Re: the conclusion
f what you say is true there was never any reason for an investigation at all since the whole point would have been to find something to charge him with or find nothing.

the whole point was to investigate russian interference in the 2016 election and any other crimes they came across. They indicted multiple russian individuals and agencies.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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