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Thugpreacha
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Message 1 of 8 (869521)
12-31-2019 3:58 PM


Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
Here we are again! Another round! The fight has evolved as we get older and its never easy. To celebrate this New Year nearly upon us, I start this topic with a personal message to a few of you whom I'm familiar with. To everyone in the EvC Family, however, I pray that you all have a prosperous, educational, heartwarming and hopeful new Year each and every day that you are alive. May your families and children be blessed and may you have the strength to last the round and perhaps score a few knockouts along the way!

To jar:
My oldest adversary, teacher, and supreme framer of arguments: (Plato would be proud)-- As this year ends, I have been contemplating some of your arguments, wondering why on earth you keep them until a lightbulb went off in the shower this morning (no, I was not electrocuted) that went thusly:

  • Why does he call out mainstream Christianity?
    Perhaps he feels that they do a disservice by telling people to trust Jesus. Perhaps in so doing, it actually cripples the people from feeling a deep sense of personal responsibility.
  • Why does jar say to throw God away?
    Because he believes and feels...evidence supporting, that we are meant to do it ourselves. Its not that he disrespects God. Its that he believes that God Himself would expect as much from us. Which lends support to the "Christianity is not easy" argument.

    So I will admit now that I fully understand those two points in our ongoing discussion. Happy New Year...oh and can you take out the garbage?

    I'm off to work now, but I will get around to personal notes for the rest of you when I get some time. Happy 2020!

    Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
    "~Thugpreacha

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
    "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 2 of 8 (869540)
    01-01-2020 10:56 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Thugpreacha
    12-31-2019 3:58 PM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    To ringo:

    My favorite skeptic and counter apologist from Canada. May you have a New Year full of revelation and re-examination of the faith you left. May you realize that though original sin is a marketed concept, it does have validity in that evidence-based thinking cannot solve all of our problems.

    To Percy:

    Thanks so much for maintaining this forum despite its limited membership. I hope that you have a happy New Year---Weather Nation (on TV) said that you guys are getting some snow! Thanks so much for your diligence in addressing the ongoing national problem of gun control. Also for keeping us up to date on our President and how big a hole he is digging. I'm in no hurry to get him out only because Pence would be worse (though more predictable).

    To Stile-
    I always enjoy communicating with you. Your basic point that we can be good people with or without religion, God, or Jesus carries weight due to your good-hearted approach. I think that even though you *know* that God doesn't exist, he is well aware of you! Hope that you find lots of hope, fun, peace, and challenge for the New Year.

    To tangle: Happy New Year. May you catch big fish and may the fish we catch provide a sporting challenge to our attempts at catching them.

    to Theodoric: My favorite grouch! Thanks for keeping me honest and challenging my world views. Happy New Year and may we both learn something new this year.

    To xongsmith: Thnks for being here. We never interact much, but I note your favorable responses to some of my ideological opponents. The fact that you say so little shows me that you are either too busy or that you are a wise person who listens frequently and speaks sparingly.

    To dwise1: Happy new Year and thanks for your perspective. I like most of your replys except when you drink and hollar at Faith. Not that she doent push buttons, however.

    To Mike (The Wizard) Thanks for lurking. I was never aware of our past until I actually re read some of your posts which I must have overlooked. Keep praying and seeking the Wisdom of Christ (rather than the Wizdom of irrefutable Mike)
    and I hope to see you online for 2020 with even better posts than in the past.

    So many names I recognize amongst our lurkers.
    PaulK-You always challenge my preassumptions! Thanks for being gracious while doing it.
    To AZPaul3: My favorite atheist! Keep being you. Keep being real. Maybe you and Faith can hook up and really make a gossipy story.

    And to Faith:
    You are a dedicated blogger, an honest person who wears their feelings on their sleeve, and an example of a stubborn believer whom I respect. I have noticed you becoming more honest about your own faults, and I respect that. Yes, we will likely see you type in all caps, ignore our posts when they conflict with your beliefs, and defend the creationist flood model the best that you can manage. happy New Year and may God give you genuine wisdom in 2020.

    If I left anyone out, please feel free to comment in this New Years' thread and add some members whom you personally interact with. let's keep this EvC Family on speaking terms.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
    "~Thugpreacha

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
    "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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    ringo
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    Message 3 of 8 (869546)
    01-01-2020 11:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 2 by Thugpreacha
    01-01-2020 10:56 AM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    Phat writes:

    May you realize that though original sin is a marketed concept, it does have validity...


    I have no problem with the idea of original sin if it only means human imperfection.

    Phat writes:

    ...in that evidence-based thinking cannot solve all of our problems.


    Name one problem that evidemce-based thinking can not solve.

    Then name one problem that can be solved without evidence-based thinking.


    "I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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    Faith
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    Joined: 10-06-2001
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    Message 4 of 8 (869608)
    01-02-2020 2:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 2 by Thugpreacha
    01-01-2020 10:56 AM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    .....

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    Stile
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    From: Ontario, Canada
    Joined: 12-02-2004
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    Message 5 of 8 (869626)
    01-02-2020 3:42 PM
    Reply to: Message 2 by Thugpreacha
    01-01-2020 10:56 AM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    Happy New Year!! :

    Thugpreacha writes:

    let's keep this EvC Family on speaking terms.

    Oh, and if I ever stop posting - it's because I'm busy at work/life or just bored of the EvC debate.
    Not because I don't like anyone here.

    In fact, I like the people here a lot. I've learned a lot from every single person I've ever talked with here at EvC, and I'm very thankful for such interactions.

    Hoping 2020 brings fun and happiness to everyone who reads this!

    And if you don't read this - then screw you and your blissful ignorance!!


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    1.61803
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    From: Lone Star State USA
    Joined: 02-19-2004


    Message 6 of 8 (869851)
    01-06-2020 5:51 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Thugpreacha
    12-31-2019 3:58 PM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    Lang may your lums reek!

    "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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    ringo
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    Message 7 of 8 (869885)
    01-07-2020 10:56 AM
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    01-06-2020 5:51 PM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    ~1.6 writes:

    Lang may your lums reek!


    Where I used to live I had a lot of trouble with the furnace. Every time I came home I'd look up to make sure the lum was reeking.

    "I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 8 of 8 (869895)
    01-07-2020 3:16 PM
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    01-07-2020 10:56 AM


    Re: Notes To EvC Members For New Year.
    Must be Steppin Time

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
    "~Thugpreacha

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
    "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle


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