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PaulK
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Message 1 of 10 (882249)
09-16-2020 9:53 AM


An organisation jointly run by the Trump campaign and the RNC has tried to get donations with a “Support the Troops” poster campaign.

Given Trump’s known disdain for US troops it is perhaps appropriate that the troops in the picture are Russian.

Politico


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Message 2 of 10 (882260)
09-16-2020 1:47 PM
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09-16-2020 9:53 AM


it is worth noting that facebook has posted a couple of "Support the Troops" pictures from the Trump campaign, only that the text below says the airplane silhouettes in the pictures are of Russian jets, not US jets.

"I'd rather be an American than a Trump Supporter."

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Message 3 of 10 (882263)
09-16-2020 2:07 PM
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09-16-2020 1:47 PM


There is a little more in the Politico article:

Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, confirmed that the planes are Russian MiG-29s, and also said the soldier on the far right in the ad carries an AK-74 assault rifle.

which is contemporary with the MiG-29 and still in service.


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Message 4 of 10 (882266)
09-16-2020 4:13 PM
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09-16-2020 9:53 AM


Bringing Up A Couple Of Hypothetical Questions
As far as supporting *any* troops, the larger question in context is whether we *Americans* should only support American Troops and also whether this then means that we should support Nationalism as a concept even if other nations are then allowed equal right to do the same thing?

Another question is whether Trump supports other troops whose nations support or claim to support America?

A Third question would be whether A One World Government should be supported if it were based on American Values and an American type of global constitution?

Or whether such a system could even theoretically work...after all, America works best when we have someone to exploit.


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Message 5 of 10 (882267)
09-16-2020 4:30 PM
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09-16-2020 4:13 PM


Re: Bringing Up A Couple Of Hypothetical Questions
I don’t think there is anything wrong with supporting the troops of allies. Supporting the troops of a hostile nation seems to tread rather close to treason (if there was an actual war it would be treason). But even with allies I think you should be specific about which troops you are supporting if they aren’t yours.

Trump, on the other hand hardly supports American troops.

I don’t think that a One World Government is remotely likely in my lifetime. And if there was one the US Constitution has some admirable parts - and some messy compromises. I wouldn’t like the latter to be replicated.


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Message 6 of 10 (882268)
09-16-2020 5:02 PM
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09-16-2020 4:13 PM


Re: Bringing Up A Couple Of Hypothetical Questions
Phat writes:

As far as supporting *any* troops, the larger question in context is whether we *Americans* should only support American Troops and also whether this then means that we should support Nationalism as a concept even if other nations are then allowed equal right to do the same thing?

We can support both human rights and national sovereignty.

A Third question would be whether A One World Government should be supported if it were based on American Values and an American type of global constitution?

It is worth mentioning that there are 50 state constitutions in the US.


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Message 7 of 10 (882269)
09-16-2020 5:05 PM
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Re: Bringing Up A Couple Of Hypothetical Questions
The silly and stupid idea of any One World Government is just another example of brain dead apologists marketing a fantasy of their own creation.

Phat writes:

A Third question would be whether A One World Government should be supported if it were based on American Values and an American type of global constitution?

Just what the hell are "American Values" or an "American type of global Constitution"? What the hell does any of that even mean, Phat? Are yopu just spouting more "club" talk that gets nods for the willfully uninformed?


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Message 8 of 10 (882304)
09-17-2020 11:43 AM
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09-16-2020 9:53 AM


Conspiracies
An organisation jointly run by the Trump campaign and the RNC has tried to get donations with a “Support the Troops” poster campaign.
Given Trump’s known disdain for US troops it is perhaps appropriate that the troops in the picture are Russian.

Occam's Razor seems appropriate here.

Does anyone really believe that Trump even knows how to use a computer, let alone personally tasks himself with making his own ads? And do you really think that he or his team would intentionally use silhouetted Russian troops and Russian jets? You've got to love the conspiracies that insinuate "coded messages" or "hidden in plain sight," as if only they will secretly know and no one else can figure it out.

Its far more likely due to ignorance that they came across a picture that was actually a Russian recruiting ad and no one in Trump's administration bothered to cross-reference to see if it even was American made. Guarantee whoever made it has been fired, because mistakes are not allowed in Trump's cabinet.... ever. That is to say, he's allowed to make all the mistakes in the world and then blame them on other people.


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Message 9 of 10 (882309)
09-17-2020 1:34 PM
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09-17-2020 11:43 AM


Re: Conspiracies
Its far more likely due to ignorance that they came across a picture that was ...

To all but the extremists this should be obvious. It was a mistake, an error, a faux pas.

It happens.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of error we know to expect from a Trump-led organization. They have a knack for blundering into themselves and not paying attention.

It's a good picture. Strong military, combat ready. Just what the shitheads wanted to see. Didn't matter whose military. Details aren't important. The only thing that matters to a Trump-led organization is the appearance. The emotional wells it taps.

Lie will be overcome with enough time, propaganda and tweets. As long as the initial emotional impact hits the base before the truth does, then it's all good.

Most unfortunately, our international standing and the world's progress in everything has taken an enormous hit because one of those Trump-led organizations is the government of the United States of America.

We should change that.


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Message 10 of 10 (882339)
09-18-2020 2:36 PM
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09-17-2020 1:34 PM


Faux Pas or Prophesy
If Faith was still with us she would tell us what this really means. It’s God’s prophetic message about what our future portends, “our” troops being Russian infantry marching across our land and Russian warplanes patrolling our skies. Thank you Comrade Trump.

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