The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

Percy since you don't like the way I am debating in the Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman I am proposing this new Thread.In this thread I will discuss Jesus roll in the creationn of the universe and His Physical roll on earth.In Message 334 Taq said: That pen point or pea sized universe could not contain enough energy to create the entire universe and everything in it as there are billions of Galaxies known to exist in the universe now.I will agree that you don't have to know the origin of the universe to know that it came from a lot of energy that had to come from somewhere that the universe and everything in it was formed out of.He also said: Clouds forming don't have anything to do with the amount of energy required to form all the stars, planets, billions of Galaxies in the universe.Therefore you need a source for the energy to create the universe and everything in it. No energy no universe.If Taq is correct and I think he is and the "universe began as a dense region of energy that expanded outwards. It requires a dense region of energy to start with existing somewhere.My question is where did that energy come from and science says "we don't know".I want to find the answer to that question.God Bless,I will be using the Bible so place it anywhere you like that I can use it.

Thread copied here from the HistoricalJesus did He create the universe? thread in the The Book Nook forum.

I'm baffled why this would be in a science forum.Jesus is fictional and cannot be shown to be historical and he isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible's genesis.There is exactly the same evidence that Harry Potter created the Universe as Jesus.

This should be quick.Prove the universe requires a god to create it.
Then solve the uncaused cause problem.
Then prove that the God 'what dun it' was a chap called Jesus born 2,000 years ago.

This topic is essentially silly. There seems to be no sensible discussion to be had on the subject.The only way the topic of the title would make sense is if it were claimed that it is possible to demonstrate that the Jesus of Faith existed through historical methods. But this is simply not possible - history certainly cannot demonstrate that Jesus performed even one genuine miracle - and even that would be insufficient.Instead of that all we get is ICANT’s uninformed opinions on cosmology. To which I will respond that all the relevant experts disagree, which is a better argument than ICANT’s personal incredulity - which is all ICANT offers and very likely all he can offer.

No.

Show your calculations.

I apologize to everyone. I saw ICANT's concluding lines about seeking an answer to the question of where the energy in the early universe came from, and then I saw "God Bless" where his messages usually end and apparently stopped reading. Given his title I thought he was going to try to tie the historical Jesus in with the beginning of the universe. I missed the next line where he said he'd be using the Bible.To ICANT: You can't use the Bible in this forum. If you like I can move this to the Faith and Belief forum.

It seems to me as a Christian you are asking the wrong question. I suggest that it matters to you as you keep tying yourself up in knots by basing Christianity on your particular way of understanding the Bible.It appears to me that you understand the Bible as being a collection of books that were more or less dictated by God. That understanding of the Bible turns God into a schizophrenic being; sometimes a God of peace and sometimes of a God ordering genocide..How about understanding the Bible as a collection of books written by numerous authors and redactors with a narrative reflecting the growing understanding of God and His place in our hearts and minds.It doesn't matter whether or not God created the physical world. What matters is the life in the world that perceives and experiences this physical world in a particular way with the senses we have been given. More importantly than that though is the creation of conscious life, and further, conscious life capable of empathy, and morality.

Get thee from me, Satan! --Percy

Hi Percy,As I said at the bottom of the post, it does not matter where it is as long as I can use the Bible, and talk about creation. Message 1I will discuss the universe as being created by a historical Jesus.God Bless,

Matters? To whom? In what way? More important? See above.All the evidence we can see indicates the thin film of slime that is life covering this planet is just a side result of the forces involved in this universe's main task of making suns. This universe appears well tuned for making suns, not life. This universe appears to have no care for life.

Thread copied here from the The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe? thread in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum.

Ni Ned, I don't have any I just ask google this question, how many galaxies in the universe?This is what I got and they go up to 2 trillion in the observed universe.

quote:

---

It is estimated that there are between 200 billion (2×1011) to 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. Most galaxies are 1,000 to 100,000 parsecs in diameter (approximately 3,000 to 300,000 light years) and are separated by distances on the order of millions of parsecs (or megaparsecs).

---

They are going on the results of the last telescope upgrade.

That is the calculation you are asked to show. How much energy was there and why could it not fit in the new universe?BTW, 2 trillion galaxies is on the conservative side.