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Yaro
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Message 1 of 113 (130511)
08-04-2004 10:26 PM


In an unrelated thread Pink Sasquatch noted that the majority of life on earth reproduces asexualy, got me thinking...
What did Noah do about annalids, nematodes, tapeworms, et al. ? Most worms aint gonna survive under thousands of feet of watter. Many of them live in only certain environments. Earthworms are very crussial to maintaining healthy soil and we all know they can't live under water. Ever seen what happens when it rains just a little? Little guys are crawlin all over the place.
Furthermore most worms are asexual as far as I know, Noah couldn't possibly have gatherd a male and female of these. So what did he do?
Finally, many worms are parasitic. Tapeworms, liver flukes, heart worm, etc. How did Noah bring these along? Did someone have to voluntaraly infect themselves?

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Message 2 of 113 (130513)
08-04-2004 10:32 PM


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Message 3 of 113 (130522)
08-04-2004 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro
08-04-2004 10:26 PM


Needs better title
Please submit a title that more specificly describes the theme.
Adminnemooseus

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Yaro
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Message 4 of 113 (130526)
08-04-2004 11:24 PM
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08-04-2004 11:17 PM


Re: Needs better title
Ummm....
Noahs Ark and Vermiculture
Or,
How did Noah deal with worms
Take your pick
{"How did Noah deal with worms?" is new title - AM}
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Message 5 of 113 (130530)
08-04-2004 11:55 PM
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08-04-2004 11:24 PM


Re: Needs better title
Damn,Yaro, I was all set to say 'the local version of Combantrim.':-P

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Message 6 of 113 (130533)
08-05-2004 12:07 AM
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08-04-2004 11:24 PM


How did the olive leaf survive the flood, it floated above the waters, and didn't perish in the earth. You have massive coal fields, which are simply where these massive floating islands of debris came to rest after the flood waters receeded off the face of the earth, no reason worms couldn't float and survive within these massive islands of debris.
P.S. The correct hebrew for the kjv genesis 7:23 interpretation of the Noah verse in respect to what survived, is Noah "nevertheless" and them on the ark survived, and not Noah "Only" and them on the ark survived, cause they too were floating above the surface of the earth. All life substances perished in the earth, but not all perished that floated above the earths surface.

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Message 7 of 113 (130535)
08-05-2004 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by johnfolton
08-05-2004 12:07 AM


A little on Earthworms
whatever,
I think I should let you know a bit about earthworms.
Earthworms live underground by pushing dirt thrugh their digestive system, filtering out the nutrients, and moving on. They are simple creatures and though they spend most of their time underground they need oxygen to live. Earthworms will not survive in direct sunlight, or in aquatic conditions since there is not enugh oxygen to absobe.
Anyway, Earthworms have a wide range of teritory, and they cover alot of ground in a day. Lots of soil is processed and they are esential to a healthy garden since they ventilate the ground and allow it to be permiated by rainfall.
To suggest that enugh soil was floating on the surface to both:
a) shelter them from the sun
b) keep them fed and out of waterlogged conditions
Would mean that you would litteraly have a huge chunck of dry earth floating on the surface. Like some kind of floating lawn.
I don't belive this is a possibility.

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Message 8 of 113 (130539)
08-05-2004 1:34 AM
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08-05-2004 1:20 AM


Re: A little (more) on Earthworms
Not to mention that salt (and the flood waters presumably were 'salty') kills terrestial worms/slugs/snails quite instantly.

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Message 9 of 113 (130548)
08-05-2004 2:04 AM


Yaro, I thought earth worms like nightcrawlers liked moist conditions and can survive feeding on decaying organics, like the grass, and other debris floating within these massive islands of debris would be a perfect enviroment for earthworm's to survive, as long as they can breathe through their skin, and it should be a win win situation. I really don't know much about earthworms, but if they can reproduce by larvae, some could of survived as the young hatched after the islands of debris settled within the muds as the flood waters receeded, suspect earthworms like nightcrawlers could survive quite well with decomposing organics, as long as they could breathe above the waters. The aquatic earth worms survive quite well in aquatic environments. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/optics/olympusmicd/galleries/...
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pink sasquatch, The aquifiers over the continents were charged with freshwater, because the waters raining down upon the earth was freshwater and not saltwater, all beneficial to the earthworm lairs of grass, leaves and other organics remaining moist, within the floating debris floating upon the waters, etc...
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Message 10 of 113 (130567)
08-05-2004 3:32 AM
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08-05-2004 2:04 AM


quote:
The aquifiers over the continents were charged with freshwater, because the waters raining down upon the earth was freshwater and not saltwater, all beneficial to the earthworm lairs of grass, leaves and other organics remaining moist, within the floating debris floating upon the waters, etc...
Wouldn't that have killed all the saltwater fish then?

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Message 11 of 113 (130589)
08-05-2004 7:33 AM
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08-05-2004 2:04 AM


quote:
Yaro, I thought earth worms like nightcrawlers liked moist conditions and can survive feeding on decaying organics
You're wrong. Ever wondered why you can find earthworms on the surface when it rains? It's because they'll drown if they stay in the soil.

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Message 12 of 113 (130634)
08-05-2004 10:10 AM


Mr. Jack, In a massive floating debris, you would have plenty of grass, leaves, tangled within the brush and trees floating above the waters so the worms could breathe, cause they too would be above the waters, cause the waters would flow through keeping everything moist, maintaining favorable habitats.
Gary, The solution to pollution might well be dilution, with all the fresh water today continually flowing into the oceans, they can not measure an increase in salinity, not that its not increasing, but Noah would of had fresh water to drink, and the mixing action of the ocean would of buffered salinity changes preserving salt water habitats(corals, some if not all worms too perhaps would of survived as larvaes until conditions were right for them to hatch, many insects likely perished but too survived as larvae on these massive islands of debris that floated in mass to the massive fossil coal grave yards evident all across the world(some of these massive coal fields are hundreds of feet thick, thousands of miles long, hundreds of miles wide)depending on how the waters washed the worm habitat(floating debris) to the different respective coal yards of the world, all supporting evidence it was a world Flood.
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Yaro
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Message 13 of 113 (130636)
08-05-2004 10:22 AM
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08-05-2004 10:10 AM


Earthworms like moisture, yes, but not mud. Furthermore, could the conditions you suggest have held up for over a year?
Besides, earthworms live in the top 6" of soil. That's their ideal habitat. They burrow all over the place in this soil and that's how they get by.
Was there at last six inches worth of topsoil floating on the surface of the ocean during Noahs time?

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Message 14 of 113 (130641)
08-05-2004 10:42 AM
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08-05-2004 10:22 AM


Yaro, Earthworms don't need soil, they can survive eating decayed organics, grass, as the rain washed the muds into the waters. I'm not sure about their larvae, if they could survive within an aquatic environment, till conditions were right to hatch, but that probably explains how the insects survived, perhap a bearing on earthworms multiplying, and how these forms of life likely repopulated the earth, after the biblical deluge.

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Message 15 of 113 (130668)
08-05-2004 12:02 PM
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08-05-2004 10:22 AM


Good luck, Yaro
You're typing to someone who can't read. LOL
Best of luck.

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