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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 1 of 6 (472845)
06-25-2008 8:17 AM


Why is the law of biogenesis which states that "all life comes from preexisting living matter" not taught in any modern textbook today? It is probably one of the most widely used laws in biology and biological studies, but the law and the history of the law is ignored.
I'm a firm believer in teaching science in schools, and not teaching non-science matters which are religious. How can we justify teaching abiogenetic science which is full of faith and little evidence and not teach biogenesis which is full of science and no faith?

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Message 2 of 6 (472852)
06-25-2008 9:00 AM
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06-25-2008 8:17 AM


Previous Discussion
This has been discussed at length a number of times.
This thread looks like a good place for you to read over the discussions:
Evolution has been Disproven
The first part of this post really answers your topic.
Message 68
If after reading over some of the existing discussions you think it needs a new thread then I'd like to see your take on those discussions added to this opening post (OP) before we consider starting it up for discussion.

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 3 of 6 (472857)
06-25-2008 12:37 PM
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06-25-2008 9:00 AM


Re: Previous Discussion
I do not intend for this thread to be in an evolution forum. It belongs in the origin of life forum.
Regarding the claim that there is no law of biogenesis, this is just plain historically and scientifically false. The theory of biogenesis was proclaimed as being a "well established law of nature" by an ardent evolutionist and abiogenesist himself, Thomas Huxley in 1870. This proclamation was declared to the entire scientific community in that day. Since this time, not one violation of this law has been observed.
I have heard these claims numerous times and they are patently false. The Law of biogenesis is observed and used in every medical facility in the world every single day. Abiogenesis doesn't exist but in the imaginations of men.
Some argue that abiogenesis today is quite different from abiogenesis of the 1800's and earlier. I disagree and can support with evidence that chemical abiogenesis was well thought out in the 1800's.
The other important fact that is being missed, is the topic of the OP as to why biogenesis is not being taught and abiogenesis is. One is a well established fact/law of nature, and the other is at best speculation. It is certainly not observable science.
Making bold claims that here is no law of biogenesis should be supported don't you think?

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Message 4 of 6 (472990)
06-26-2008 10:08 AM
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06-25-2008 9:00 AM


Re: Previous Discussion
I would also like to add that most of the abiogenesists in the thread you listed rely on using equivocating definitions of spontaneous generation and abiogenesis. The thread also deteriorated away from the subject of biogenesis very quickly.
I think this is an important matter for science, and it seems to be ignored.

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Message 5 of 6 (473006)
06-26-2008 1:36 PM
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06-26-2008 10:08 AM


Take it to an open thread
Since I can't find another open origin of life thread on the topic I'll promote this one for you.

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Message 6 of 6 (473007)
06-26-2008 1:36 PM


Thread copied to the Biogenesis thread in the Origin of Life forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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