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Open MInd
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09-02-2008 10:55 PM


Does Logic Exist By Itself
I have heard many atheists and scientists debate the possible existence of an all-powerful creator on the premise that such a being is considered illogical. Richard Dawkins for example, suggests that the existence of evolution is more probable than the existence of an almighty creator. He systematically explains that if this being is complicated then it is not solving the problem of how the world works. By the fact that this being is complicated just makes a bigger problem. What is he made out of? Dawkins was more willing to agree with the concept of a very simple being. However, he asserts that a simple being cannot logically be able to rule the world as many theologians assert. He, like everyone else, bases his criticism on the idea that an almighty being is illogical. It is interesting to point out that many theologians will claim that this being is not possibly comprehended by human beings.
The question that I have is at the core of the debate over the existence of any sort of spiritual being. Is logic an intrinsic phenomenon or is it strictly limited to the human body? I would like to give an analogy. The famous question of "If a tree falls in the forest with no being there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Similarly, if the world exists with no human beings, do the postulates of mathematics exist? If there is an intrinsic logic, than it is not possible for something to exist illogical to exist. However, if logic itself does not really exist, and it is only formed through certain chemical reactions in the human brain, anything may exist, logical or not. Furthermore, there is no way of knowing whether we have the proper logic to truly understand the nature of the universe or its creator for that matter. We may not comprehend spiritual existence for the same reason that dogs do not understand the Theory of Relativity. There may very well be no reason to believe that human beings can ever possibly comprehend the true nature of the world using the logic formulated in the chemical reactions of their own brains.
Edited by Open MInd, : scientists' was changed to scientists
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Message 2 of 2 (480377)
09-03-2008 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Open MInd
09-02-2008 10:55 PM


Does logic exist in your message?
Note to self: Original message 1 hidden within this message.
It sure seems to me that you could say as much, much clearer, in half the words. As is, I feel dizzy trying to read it.
Why don't you try a rewrite as a new message in this topic? Maybe less text per paragraph also? Each paragraph should have it's own unifying theme that is a sub-theme of the message/topic as a whole.
If it flies, the new message can become message 1 of the open to debate topic.
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